Big Blue Huddle

https://x.com/Brycewheat3/status/1863610595271995634


As BFW is a core STer, I assume he is referring to Michael Ghobrial



I think there is a strong possibility this gets deleted, so here is the screen capture for posterity.

1) they are 2-10.  Not really concerned about retaining current players.  2) He can't be naive to think a new head coach would come here and not bring in his own guys.  Granted, a new coach may keep "Coach Mike", but it is not going to be to keep players happy.

Quote from: coggs on December 02, 2024, 10:57:57 AM1) they are 2-10.  Not really concerned about retaining current players.  2) He can't be naive to think a new head coach would come here and not bring in his own guys.  Granted, a new coach may keep "Coach Mike", but it is not going to be to keep players happy.

This is all true; what I found more interesting is that at least this player is entertaining the idea of a coaching change.  I tend to be a tip of the iceberg guy.  When I see something like that, I find it hard to think he is the only player talking about this.

https://x.com/Brycewheat3/status/1863613215474631157

If anything remotely smells like support for firing Daboll, let's share it!     

Quote from: T200 on December 02, 2024, 11:32:52 AMIf anything remotely smells like support for firing Daboll, let's share it!     

Isn't this the second time that a player had to clarify that a comment didn't mean what it appeared to mean?  Wasn't there a player who appeared to comment about McCloud being a free man, only to backtrack and say he was referring to a rapper who was seen later in the group of picks?

In this case, while I appreciate that West Virginia's HC is leaving, the only "Mike" on the staff is:

Mike Joseph   Assistant Athletics Director/Head Coach for Strength and Conditioning

Quote from: coggs on December 02, 2024, 10:57:57 AM1) they are 2-10.  Not really concerned about retaining current players.  2) He can't be naive to think a new head coach would come here and not bring in his own guys.  Granted, a new coach may keep "Coach Mike", but it is not going to be to keep players happy.

Especially not a JAG.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 02, 2024, 11:01:57 AMThis is all true; what I found more interesting is that at least this player is entertaining the idea of a coaching change.  I tend to be a tip of the iceberg guy.  When I see something like that, I find it hard to think he is the only player talking about this.

As much as I'd like not to have to fire a GM and HC after three years in light of the history of this revolving door, Schoen and Daboll haven't proven they will set this team on course. Schoen has one good draft, two bad ones, bad decisions in player personnel and contracts, and failed to provide depth while letting good players go. Daboll has had breakdowns in getting the team ready for games and execution of fundamentals. They both should have known that Daniel Jones had limitations and should have taken steps to improve the QB position and provide qualified backups.

Unfortunately, the owner's track record for hiring the right GM and HC leaves me concerned about a repeated cycle.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 02, 2024, 11:45:07 AMAs much as I'd like not to have to fire a GM and HC after three years in light of the history of this revolving door, Schoen and Daboll haven't proven they will set this team on course. Schoen has one good draft, two bad ones, bad decisions in player personnel and contracts, and failed to provide depth while letting good players go. Daboll has had breakdowns in getting the team ready for games and execution of fundamentals. They both should have known that Daniel Jones had limitations and should have taken steps to improve the QB position and provide qualified backups.

Unfortunately, the owner's track record for hiring the right GM and HC leaves me concerned about a repeated cycle.

Ed,

I think that's a fair assessment.  As I have said before, after so many failed hirings, I start to wonder if the issue is more systemic than just a question of hiring the right person.

I think when you look at the hiring since the Coughlin golden days:

GM

Jerry Reese was hired at the endorsement of Ernie Accorsi.  Jerry started well, but failed badly as time went on.

David Gettleman (another EA lieutenant) was the candidate they hired, and Accorsi advised them on the search.  It seemed Mara was keener on maintaining the "Giants way" than hiring the best man for the job.  Gettleman crashed and burned with an abrasive style

Joe Schoen was hired after the owner and relatives did an extensive candidate search.   Some of the other GMs have enjoyed more success, but's still early to say definitively if Joe Schoen was or wasn't the best of the bunch.


Coaches

Ben McAdoo-  This seemed to be a rash hiring in reaction to rumors the Giants were about to lose him to the Eagles.  Ben is smart but lacks the ability to relate to other people well.  He was a bit of a victim of the overreaction to the benching of an aging Eli Manning for Geno Smith (a name that is viewed much differently these days).

Pat Shurmur- Gettleman and Mara focused on what they perceived McAdoo was lacking while taking for granted the things McAdoo brought to the table.  So you had a very personable HC.  He was not the brightest, though, and his staff of retreads didn't help him much.   Pat showed that he still had the touch when it came to coaching QBs, as Jones never had as many passing TDs as when he was with Shurmur.

Joe Judge-  The team wanted a strong coach who could set the tone and culture for the entire team.  Joe has those traits in spades.  Unfortunately Joe lacked the emotional intelligence to really thrive as a head coach.  Between butting heads with Gettleman, players, and the press, things didn't go well for the young HC.

Finally, they brought in Daboll.  His work as the OC of the Josh Allen led Bills gave his resume some clout.  Overlooked was his lack of success outside that one job.   The Chargers had passed on him the previous year, and it's beginning to look like that; for whatever reason they did, it might have been a good decision.   I think it's worth noting that Schoen and Daboll were a bit of a package deal as they worked together in Buffalo.

I have come to believe that hiring a top GM and HC is critical.  However, much like QB, it's easier said than done.   While you have a bit more freedom in these hires than in the draft, you are still limited by who is available when you're looking and who is willing to work for you.

That is why I suggest that any decision to move on be made in the context of what the Giants have and how do they compare to who the Giants can acquire.

I'd be inclined to take BFW at his word, and it was just not a very well thought out initial tweet. No way do I think a bottom of the roster guy is going to make such a tweet about his current coaching staff. Move along.

Quote from: Sem on December 02, 2024, 12:11:56 PMI'd be inclined to take BFW at his word, and it was just not a very well thought out initial tweet. No way do I think a bottom of the roster guy is going to make such a tweet about his current coaching staff. Move along.

I am inclined to believe this as well.  Although I am still puzzled as to who "Mike" is, it would be wild for any player, especially a JAG to be talking about this.

One thing that struck me, is you have to think the Giants give players training and guidelines on using social media.   Being the second time in a month's span that there was a post open to misinterpretation, what does that say about the training?

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 02, 2024, 12:26:02 PMOne thing that struck me, is you have to think the Giants give players training and guidelines on using social media.  Being the second time in a month's span that there was a post open to misinterpretation, what does that say about the training?

I don't know what it tells you about the training, but....

It tells me that the training has a ~95% success rate. The remaining 5% either were hard to train and/or did not retain anything from the training.

Quote from: Cr00zng on December 02, 2024, 03:11:43 PMI don't know what it tells you about the training, but....

It tells me that the training has a ~95% success rate. The remaining 5% either were hard to train and/or did not retain anything from the training.

Hi Otto,

Long time no hear. It's a shame we can't talk about a successful season.

Fair point about the percentage, the old law of large numbers at work