Big Blue Huddle

Ray Agnew, Lions assistant general manager

Dawn Aponte, NFL's chief administrator of football operations

Mike Borgonzi, Chiefs assistant GM

Ian Cunningham, Chicago Bears assistant GM

Thomas Dimitroff, former Falcons GM

John Dorsey, Lions senior personnel executive

Ray Farmer, Rams senior personnel executive

Mike Greenberg, Buccaneers assistant GM

Mike Martin, Lions director of scouting advancement

Lance Newmark, Commanders assistant GM

Phil Savage, Jets interim general manager

John Spytek, Buccaneers assistant general manager

Nolan Teasley, Seahawks assistant general manager

Josh Williams, 49ers director of scouting and football operations

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Detroit Lions OC Ben Johnson

Detroit Lions DC Aaron Glenn

Browns consultant Mike Vrabel

Vikings DC Brian Flores

Bills OC Joe Brady

Panthers DC Ejiro Evero

Bucs OC Liam Coen

Steelers OC Arthur Smith

Chargers DC Jesse Minter

Commanders OC Kliff Kingsbury

Ravens OC Todd Monken

Bears interim HC Thomas Brown

Not a very inspiring list

We go to lengths bashing the so called weak class of QBs, but don't do the same for this years coach/GM carousel

The two potential HCs who really intrigue me are Todd Monken, the OC of the Ravens and Jesse Minter, the DC of the Chargers.  Monken has worked wonders with Lamar Jackson since he became OC following the same stint at UGA.  Jackson is a more complete passer who now can hit all areas of the field more accurately especially standing flat footed in the pocket.  Monken has also become a great play caller as he utilizes Jackson to run as much it seems as Derrick Henry plus lots of crossing routes to get Flowers open.

Jesse Minter has been nothing short of brilliant first at Michigan as DC and now with the Chargers.  In Bama's loss to Michigan, Saban said Minter called coverages he's never seen before and which really confused the offense.  That's high praise from a legend.  In Minter's first year as Chargers, DC, they are top 3.  Players both at Michigan and the Chargers raved about his schemes, but about how well he teaches and communicates with them.  Minter coached under both John and Jim Harbaugh.

Ray Agnew would at first glance seem intriguing as a GM coming out of the Lions, however, he joined in 2021.  I am not sure how much influence he has had there.  I'd love to steal Eric DeCosta from the Ravens who is already a GM there and has been there since 1996. 

Quote from: MrGap92 on December 23, 2024, 05:52:42 PMNot a very inspiring list

We go to lengths bashing the so called weak class of QBs, but don't do the same for this years coach/GM carousel

You have no clue who might turn into a good coach or not. How many predicted young Sean McVay would turn out to be one of the best HCs in the NFL? Or John Harbaugh when he was hired. Hire the right guy. Do your research. The Giants blew it three years ago when they hired Daboll over Flores. Time to get it right.

Quote from: katkavage on December 23, 2024, 06:02:30 PMYou have no clue who might turn into a good coach or not. How many predicted young Sean McVay would turn out to be one of the best HCs in the NFL? Or John Harbaugh when he was hired. Hire the right guy. Do your research. The Giants blew it three years ago when they hired Daboll over Flores. Time to get it right.

Same logic goes to the QBs as well

Quote from: MrGap92 on December 23, 2024, 06:18:05 PMSame logic goes to the QBs as well

Yes but because of that you do not shy away from taking one. There are no sure things in life.

Quote from: MrGap92 on December 23, 2024, 05:52:42 PMNot a very inspiring list

We go to lengths bashing the so called weak class of QBs, but don't do the same for this years coach/GM carousel

I remember a time when the Pats and Seahawks were dragged for hiring Belichek and Carroll. You just never know.

Quote from: katkavage on December 23, 2024, 06:02:30 PMYou have no clue who might turn into a good coach or not. How many predicted young Sean McVay would turn out to be one of the best HCs in the NFL? Or John Harbaugh when he was hired. Hire the right guy. Do your research. The Giants blew it three years ago when they hired Daboll over Flores. Time to get it right.

TBD on Daboll. Give him a real QB before sealing his fate.

Harbaugh had Flacco and Jackson.

McVey had Goff and Stafford.

Because of Mara, Daboll had Jones.

Daboll is 2-13 this season. We are the worst team in the league. Jones was a problem, but far from the only one.  We have to get Daboll a QB is the new version of, "let's not judge Danny until we get him a line and some weapons."

Quote from: T200 on December 23, 2024, 07:44:33 PMTBD on Daboll. Give him a real QB before sealing his fate.

Harbaugh had Flacco and Jackson.

McVey had Goff and Stafford.

Because of Mara, Daboll had Jones.

Oh I see. They are not good coaches. They just have good QBs. 

Quote from: katkavage on December 23, 2024, 08:21:43 PMOh I see. They are not good coaches. They just have good QBs. 

Isn't that usually how it goes?

Do you think they'd be as successful with Daniel Jones instead of the QBs they had?

Quote from: T200 on December 23, 2024, 08:38:42 PMIsn't that usually how it goes?

Do you think they'd be as successful with Daniel Jones instead of the QBs they had?

Yes. Not Super Bowl successful, but their teams would be fundamentally sound. Would be prepared. Would be motivated. Would be competitive. Something the head coach of the Giants has not accomplished with his team in any way.

Out of that good list, my favorites would be:


Josh Williams, 49ers director of scouting and football operations

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Detroit Lions OC Ben Johnson

Ravens OC Todd Monken

Quote from: katkavage on December 23, 2024, 08:50:05 PMYes. Not Super Bowl successful, but their teams would be fundamentally sound. Would be prepared. Would be motivated. Would be competitive. Something the head coach of the Giants has not accomplished with his team in any way.

I get that you want him fired and he's done plenty to support that stance.

But saying he did nothing with this team is just pure bull doody.

Quote from: T200 on December 23, 2024, 09:05:21 PMI get that you want him fired and he's done plenty to support that stance.

But saying he did nothing with this team is just pure bull doody.

Bottom line: 5-12. 2-13. 'Nuff said. Please, I don't want to hear excuses why he hasn't succeeded, I want to hear what he has gotten the team to do well in the past two years. I see nothing, but maybe you know something I don't.