Big Blue Huddle

I know there are charts explaining the compensation between teams that trade picks. But if a team really wants a pedicular player, then I believe terms can and will be adjusted. Looks as though Sanders and Ward are the consensus top two QBs in this draft. I am not a fan of any QB in this year's draft and certainly not with the #1 pick.

There are several players I would love to have that are not QBs. I am in the camp that says get the best player available, get a temporary QB for 2025 and part or 2026 and build the team and add much needed depth.


It's been plastered on the web, that there is a love affair between the Raiders and Shedeur Sanders, a very mutual interest in each other. I have recently seen articles showing the Raiders trading up to # 3 to get there man. Assuming the Giants take Ward and pick #2 goes to Travis Hunter and the team that picks 3rd trades with the Raiders.



So why not give the Raiders what they seem to want really bad? We have the pick they need; we have the pick that would guarantee they get there man. I don't get a sense there is another team salivating for Ward.


Speaking of Ward, I read this about him.


Cam Ward would've likely been no better than QB5 in last year's draft class, but he's QB1 in 2024. Teams had a late Day 2/Day 3 grade on him over the summer, but he's made big strides this season; he's playing more from the pocket, he's getting the ball out on time and he's doing a better job of getting through his reads. We know about the athleticism and arm strength, but he's gotten better each year he's been in college, too.


Ask yourself; where would Ward have been drafted if he came out last year? I don't think he cracks the top 5 picks. More than likely he goes pick 6 thru 14. Yet we are possibly poised to take him with our #1.


So, I can ask the same question. Where would Sanders have gone if he were to have come out last year?


Good luck finding someone tougher than Shedeur Sanders. He'll stand in the pocket and take hit (after hit after hit) to make a play downfield. He's not the athlete and doesn't have the arm strength of Cam Ward, but he does a lot of things really well. I would like to see him play on time more consistently, but part of that has to do with Colorado's inconsistent offensive line.

Same answer: I don't think he cracks the top 5 picks. More than likely he goes pick 6 thru 14. Yet we are possibly poised to take him with our #1.


What could a desperate team be willing to give up to trade with the Giants?


Two games left to go, so the draft order could change, but I dont see drastic movements as it pertains to the order.


Currently its


4-Titans

5-Browns

6-Raiders

8-Jets

10-Saints

There could be others, but I think the Panthers stick with Young and Colts stick with Richardson.


If we stay in the top 10 there are multiple options


Kelvin Banks Jr would be a good tackle, Mason Graham on the D-line, Abdul Carter a monster EDGE, Will Johnson a much-needed CB and Malaki Starks a safety that can line up anywhere in the secondary



So what do you think the Giants could squeeze out from a Raider/Giant swap in the draft?






 

Schoen and Daboll know next year is improve or be gone for them. They will not improve without a QB.

They can try and get cute but it's gonna bite them in the ass if they do.

They need to do their homework and pick the guy who gives them the best opportunity to improve.

Keep it simple.

Quote from: T200 on December 25, 2024, 03:00:53 PMSchoen and Daboll know next year is improve or be gone for them. They will not improve without a QB.

They can try and get cute but it's gonna bite them in the ass if they do.

They need to do their homework and pick the guy who gives them the best opportunity to improve.

Keep it simple.

What if they're not high on any of these QBs? What if they're just lukewarm/meh on the QBs but love other players? Should they force a QB pick? Or sign a free agent QB and draft an elite position player they love?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 25, 2024, 03:06:13 PMWhat if they're not high on any of these QBs? What if they're just lukewarm/meh on the QBs but love other players? Should they force a QB pick? Or sign a free agent QB and draft an elite position player they love?

If they're truly don't think Sanders or Ward will help this team significantly improve and pick a different position, I'll be fine with that. I don't think they will force a QB pick just because they feel they need one.

They passed on Nix, Penix, and McCarthy last year so they've already demonstrated they won't reach.

They will 100% get a veteran QB, either to start and be a bridge or as a backup.

I don't want to see any of the current QBs back next year.

Quote from: T200 on December 25, 2024, 03:00:53 PMSchoen and Daboll know next year is improve or be gone for them. They will not improve without a QB.

They can try and get cute but it's gonna bite them in the ass if they do.

They need to do their homework and pick the guy who gives them the best opportunity to improve.

Keep it simple.

This is exactly why BOTH Sheon and Daboll must go. When you have men in position to guide a team and their jobs are on the line, often times decisions are made out of desperation, rather than common sense.

The Giants need like an overseeing President of Football Operations to lead the team and they can do the hiring. The whole process needs to be taken out of Mara's hands. Someone who slots in above the GM, but who will still need a GM to do the day to day roster building.  Pay Belichick or Pete Carroll or someone like that to oversee the hiring of the next GM



Sure, Joe Schoen may not have a QB (despite resigning one to a large contract), but the inability to even compete outside of the QB, is a red flag for both Schoen and Daboll. This is Year 3 under their tenure and Giants are looking at a top draft pick. That's not good at all and doesn't give confidence on how they've been doing. Schoen just doesn't seem like he has a plan but is just going with the flow. Hard Knocks was an eye-opening show for me.

Quote from: T200 on December 25, 2024, 03:12:56 PMIf they're truly don't think Sanders or Ward will help this team significantly improve and pick a different position, I'll be fine with that. I don't think they will force a QB pick just because they feel they need one.

They passed on Nix, Penix, and McCarthy last year so they've already demonstrated they won't reach.

They will 100% get a veteran QB, either to start and be a bridge or as a backup.

I don't want to see any of the current QBs back next year.

I agree that this is what they or any GM in this position should do. I just wonder with the position they're in if they in fact will do that.

Hopefully they love one or two of these QBs, and they end up taking a QB they legitimately feel great about. I just can't say I'm that confident they'll pass on a QB in this draft under any circumstances given the existential considerations they personally face with their jobs.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 25, 2024, 03:14:40 PMThis is exactly why BOTH Sheon and Daboll must go. When you have men in position to guide a team and their jobs are on the line, often times decisions are made out of desperation, rather than common sense.

The Giants need like an overseeing President of Football Operations to lead the team and they can do the hiring. The whole process needs to be taken out of Mara's hands. Someone who slots in above the GM, but who will still need a GM to do the day to day roster building.  Pay Belichick or Pete Carroll or someone like that to oversee the hiring of the next GM



Sure, Joe Schoen may not have a QB (despite resigning one to a large contract), but the inability to even compete outside of the QB, is a red flag for both Schoen and Daboll. This is Year 3 under their tenure and Giants are looking at a top draft pick. That's not good at all and doesn't give confidence on how they've been doing. Schoen just doesn't seem like he has a plan but is just going with the flow. Hard Knocks was an eye-opening show for me.

They knew they needed a QB three years ago. They aren't desperate.

I think Mara understands now that he needs to get out of the way and let Schoen and Daboll do what they need to do without his commentary. They want to win just as bad as we want the team to win.

Every NFL roster has holes and that includes the Giants. They will do their best to upgrade as many positions as possible without weakening others. It's an ongoing process.

I don't think desperation is a factor.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 25, 2024, 03:21:04 PMI agree that this is what they or any GM in this position should do. I just wonder with the position they're in if they in fact will do that.

Hopefully they love one or two of these QBs, and they end up taking a QB they legitimately feel great about. I just can't say I'm that confident they'll pass on a QB in this draft under any circumstances given the existential considerations they personally face with their jobs.

If they draft a QB and he's legit good, will it matter if they had a conviction or were desperate?

Quote from: T200 on December 25, 2024, 03:24:57 PMThey knew they needed a QB three years ago. They aren't desperate.

I think Mara understands now that he needs to get out of the way and let Schoen and Daboll do what they need to do without his commentary. They want to win just as bad as we want the team to win.

Every NFL roster has holes and that includes the Giants. They will do their best to upgrade as many positions as possible without weakening others. It's an ongoing process.

I don't think desperation is a factor.

Ok then. WHERE do you think Ward or Saunders would have been drafted if they came out last year? I still think Maye, Williams and Daniels would have been drafted as the first three QBs off the board, yet we are debating who to take with the #1 overall pick in this upcoming draft? Joe Scheon has a history of drafting as a need rather than BPA. Is Saunders or Ward franchise QBs? To me the answer is no, taking one in this draft is yet again drafting for need.

Quote from: T200 on December 25, 2024, 03:26:34 PMIf they draft a QB and he's legit good, will it matter if they had a conviction or were desperate?

Of course not.

But it does matter to me if we take a QB that our front office is not that high on just because they feel they have no choice but to take a QB in the draft this year.

I don't think you can say how much you can get for the #6 pick without knowing who is on the board and who is interested in trading up.  The further back a team is the more they have to trade to move to 6. 

I'm hoping they don't like either of Sanders or Ward. They need multiple good players all over the field. You have the Raiders theoretically loving Sanders. I'm hoping N.E. wants Hunter as well as 1 or 2 other teams. So here is my fantasy(in addition to Jessica Alba). A bidding war for Hunter at #1. We get NE's pick #2 and their 2nd, 5th. Trade back again with L.A., #2 for #6, their 2nd, 3rd, and next years #1. With #6 we draft either the tackle from Texas or the best CB on the board. Take Howard or Ewers at the top of the 2nd, then with the remaining picks best player on board. Somewhere I want a big physical RB to team with Tracy. I am also intrigued with the Penn State TE. I'm greedy for good players. Based on this past draft it would appear that Schoen has his own scouting team in place. Multiple high picks should get us multiple good players. Of course previous results are not guaranteed. It's always a crapshoot.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 25, 2024, 03:31:09 PMOk then. WHERE do you think Ward or Saunders would have been drafted if they came out last year? I still think Maye, Williams and Daniels would have been drafted as the first three QBs off the board, yet we are debating who to take with the #1 overall pick in this upcoming draft? Joe Scheon has a history of drafting as a need rather than BPA. Is Saunders or Ward franchise QBs? To me the answer is no, taking one in this draft is yet again drafting for need.

First, I don't watch college football so I rely on all of you smart fellas! 

Second, I don't see the relevance.

I appreciate that you don't see Sanders or Ward as franchise QBs. Someone is going to draft them and we will see if they are or not, for us or someone else.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 25, 2024, 03:31:18 PMOf course not.

But it does matter to me if we take a QB that our front office is not that high on just because they feel they have no choice but to take a QB in the draft this year.

Understood.

Regardless of the underlying reason, I hope they hit on whoever they pick, especially at QB.

Quote from: T200 on December 25, 2024, 03:42:32 PMUnderstood.

Regardless of the underlying reason, I hope they hit on whoever they pick, especially at QB.

Me too.

Frankly I hope they (whoever "they" ultimately are) take a QB they are very high on. I'll be a little bummed if they don't take a QB, although I still don't think they should take one that they're meh on just because they feel like they have no choice.