Big Blue Huddle

From this fan's view the league GM's should collectively refuse to offer NTC's, and NMC's. As a fan I only care about winning, period. Those type of contracts hamstring teams. The players get paid well enough. When they're done, they're done, and/or when it's time for a "divorce" goodbye. 1 Cup in what will be 85 years is beyond words unacceptable. Thankfully the Yankees, and the Knicks are relevant. If they weren't, together with the Giants, and Rangers I'd be wearing the largest, and heaviest "Golden Sombrero" ever. 

Quote from: files58 on December 19, 2024, 11:29:36 AMFrom this fan's view the league GM's should collectively refuse to offer NTC's, and NMC's. As a fan I only care about winning, period. Those type of contracts hamstring teams. The players get paid well enough. When they're done, they're done, and/or when it's time for a "divorce" goodbye. 1 Cup in what will be 85 years is beyond words unacceptable. Thankfully the Yankees, and the Knicks are relevant. If they weren't, together with the Giants, and Rangers I'd be wearing the largest, and heaviest "Golden Sombrero" ever. 

that would be collusiom.

Quote from: babywhales on December 18, 2024, 11:12:14 PMApparently there was players only meeting to fire Drury

Read this today

Vincent Trocheck then initiated a scrum with the Rangers beat reporters to clear the air about a specific report that claimed the team meeting they had after the Kings game was to criticize Drury. 
"That could not be further from the truth," he said bluntly. "If we have a closed-door meeting, with just the players, I think the last that we'd do is complain about our general manager. When we have closed-door meetings in here, it's about us. It's about what we can do.

Quote from: coggs on December 19, 2024, 12:23:12 PMthat would be collusiom.

Of course it's collusion. Go prove it. The teams would put out some corporate bs how it's not economically sound yada yada. Then there would be a compromise. If there were no winning incentive attached to the game, fine, have all the no moves you want. It's not just entertainment. Once a player's shelf life/effectiveness wanes or is gone, bye bye. I know it sounds harsh. I'm not on the owner's or the player's side. I WANT TO WIN. This Ranger team is done. They need to retool.

Quote from: files58 on December 20, 2024, 10:27:04 AMOf course it's collusion. Go prove it. The teams would put out some corporate bs how it's not economically sound yada yada. Then there would be a compromise. If there were no winning incentive attached to the game, fine, have all the no moves you want. It's not just entertainment. Once a player's shelf life/effectiveness wanes or is gone, bye bye. I know it sounds harsh. I'm not on the owner's or the player's side. I WANT TO WIN. This Ranger team is done. They need to retool.

What the heck happened? They beat the Dallas Stars 3-1? Now, all of a sudden, they decide they want to actually do their jobs, or was Dallas in town for a little Christmas shopping along Broadway?

Discuss.

Peace!

Quote from: kartanoman on December 21, 2024, 03:39:08 PMWhat the heck happened? They beat the Dallas Stars 3-1? Now, all of a sudden, they decide they want to actually do their jobs, or was Dallas in town for a little Christmas shopping along Broadway?

Discuss.

Peace!

Rangers were on the road.

Actually, it was more like Shesterkin beat the Stars.

Still pitiful.

Igor pulled again as well

This really is ugly.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on December 29, 2024, 06:03:09 AMIgor pulled again as well

This really is ugly.

Dead last place in the division.

Whole thing needs to be gutted. Not a single player in this mess should be off limits.

Can the answer be as simple as they hate playing for Drury?

This is basically the core that won their first 7 playoff games last year. The only thing that's changed is Drury's waive of Goodrow and the debacle around Trouba's trade.

Baring in mind they started 12-4, that might be unlikely but I simply don't understand how they can have fallen off the face of the earth over the last 5 weeks.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on December 29, 2024, 06:12:43 AMCan the answer be as simple as they hate playing for Drury?

This is basically the core that won their first 7 playoff games last year. The only thing that's changed is Drury's waive of Goodrow and the debacle around Trouba's trade.

Baring in mind they started 12-4, that might be unlikely but I simply don't understand how they can have fallen off the face of the earth over the last 5 weeks.

Maybe, but if that's the case I find that incredibly weak and unprofessional. If they hate their boss so much and they're so unhappy, nobody is stopping them from demanding to be traded. You're allowed to leave. That's what normal, self-respecting professionals do when they're unhappy with their employer. Sulking and deliberately performing poorly but continuing to accept your bloated paycheck is beyond lame, and it actually really turns me off to these guys. I would have much more respect for any of them if they said "I want out. This guy is an XXXXXXX. Trade me. I don't want to be here anymore."

But they're not doing that. They continue to go through the motions and play like xxxx. And get paid a ton of money for doing so. So if they're deliberately dogging it out there because they're unhappy, they better suck it up and get over their petty xxxxxxxx if that's really the reason. Or get out.

Or maybe they just simply suck, period.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 29, 2024, 06:19:04 AMMaybe, but if that's the case I find that incredibly weak and unprofessional. If they hate their boss so much and they're so unhappy, nobody is stopping them from demanding to be traded. You're allowed to leave. That's what normal, self-respecting professionals do when they're unhappy with their employer. Sulking and deliberately performing poorly but continuing to accept your bloated paycheck is beyond lame, and it actually really turns me off to these guys. I would have much more respect for any of them if they said "I want out. This guy is an XXXXXXX. Trade me. I don't want to be here anymore."

But they're not doing that. They continue to go through the motions and play like xxxx. And get paid a ton of money for doing so. So if they're deliberately dogging it out there because they're unhappy, they better suck it up and get over their petty xxxxxxxx if that's really the reason. Or get out.

Or maybe they just simply suck, period.

Yes, maybe it's this.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 29, 2024, 06:19:04 AMMaybe, but if that's the case I find that incredibly weak and unprofessional. If they hate their boss so much and they're so unhappy, nobody is stopping them from demanding to be traded. You're allowed to leave. That's what normal, self-respecting professionals do when they're unhappy with their employer. Sulking and deliberately performing poorly but continuing to accept your bloated paycheck is beyond lame, and it actually really turns me off to these guys. I would have much more respect for any of them if they said "I want out. This guy is an XXXXXXX. Trade me. I don't want to be here anymore."

But they're not doing that. They continue to go through the motions and play like xxxx. And get paid a ton of money for doing so. So if they're deliberately dogging it out there because they're unhappy, they better suck it up and get over their petty xxxxxxxx if that's really the reason. Or get out.

Or maybe they just simply suck, period.

How do you go from President's Trophy, most wins in team history, two games from a Stanley Cup Finals berth to ...

You're sucking it big-time on the big stage?

Did everyone get old at the same time?

Is it a mutiny?

Is this even commonplace in the modern era NHL?

Is this coach now all of a sudden the next Roger Neilson and this is the 1992-93 Rangers?

This saga is beyond analysis. If Drury wants to break it up, then so be it, but if he thinks he can find another Mike Keenan, Mark Messier and Stanley Cup winning castoffs from perhaps Tampa and Florida to make a run, I think delusion is in the air, though the concept might actually not be bad as far as building a defense in the style @files58 describes.

But the ship has sunk and it remains to be seen what Drury's going to do about it.

Ideas, anyone?

Oeace!

Quote from: kartanoman on December 29, 2024, 06:40:52 AMHow do you go from President's Trophy, most wins in team history, two games from a Stanley Cup Finals berth to ...

You're sucking it big-time on the big stage?

Did everyone get old at the same time?

Is it a mutiny?

Is this even commonplace in the modern era NHL?

Is this coach now all of a sudden the next Roger Neilson and this is the 1992-93 Rangers?

This saga is beyond analysis. If Drury wants to break it up, then so be it, but if he thinks he can find another Mike Keenan, Mark Messier and Stanley Cup winning castoffs from perhaps Tampa and Florida to make a run, I think delusion is in the air, though the concept might actually not be bad as far as building a defense in the style @files58 describes.

But the ship has sunk and it remains to be seen what Drury's going to do about it.

Ideas, anyone?

Oeace!

Clearly doing nothing and hoping things better is not a plan. Hope is not a strategy. This has gone too far now. It needs to be broken up. And that doesn't mean a player or two after Trouba. It means a full gutting.

I understand it's complicated with all these NMCs on these contracts, but there are things they can do. Healthy scratches are one way. At this point it's obvious they're not contending and probalby not even making the playoffs, so in the short run losing doesn't matter anymore. They need to gut this. Get some prospects and picks in exchange for 30-something veterans.

Look, some of these guys are still capable of playing. You mean to tell me some teams out there wouldn't want guys like Trocheck, Kreider, Panarin, Zibs, Fox, etc?

The Rangers had a window where these guys were in their primes, and it didn't happen. Now they're aging, and quite frankly the young guys we were expecting to play a big role simply haven't managed to do it. Laffy has been the closest thing to panning out, and Cuylle has been a nice player, but by and large the kids have fallen well short. If you want to blame Chytil's situation on his inability to stay on the ice, fine, but either way he hasn't been able to get it done. Kakko was obviously a massive bust. Miller is a huge bust. This Othmann kid I've been hearing about for three years sounds like a bust. It goes on.

And the vets just aren't that good at this point. Yes, Bread Man is a highly talented and producitve player. But he's a stiff in the playoffs. Zibs has become a one trick pony that the league has figured out. Goalies are in position to stuff his power play one timer from the left dot before the pass to him even happens now. Kreider is obviously a solid player and has been a great Ranger overall but even he is limited and he's inconsistent in postseason play.

Fox went from being a Norris Trophy caliber guy to just a "good" player. No idea what happened there. Schneider is average.

And I have no idea what has happened to Shesty. The guy got paid, and he is totally unreliable.

It's a sad state of affairs. Gut it and break it up. And if guys refuse to waive their NMC, scratch them every night for all I care. See how long they can tolerate that. I guarantee you in the end the team win that game of chicken every time. At this point losing doesn't matter. The season is gone.