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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 07, 2025, 09:37:07 AMhttps://x.com/ZBerm/status/1876626499501203594

A coach should coach the whole team. His attention should be on all aspects of the game during the game. Get that Chinese take out menu out of his hands.

Quote from: katkavage on January 07, 2025, 09:41:03 AMA coach should coach the whole team. His attention should be on all aspects of the game during the game.

Agreed. The head coach needs to focus equal attention to the kicking teams and the defense. On offense, it's up to him to make 4th down, 2 point and clock decisions. He needs to be free to make these decisions. He should and must be heavily involved in making and approving the game plan, but that isn't done during the game. On crucial plays, he can or should let the play caller know if he wants a run or a pass, but the play caller should call the specific play. The HC can occasionally call for a specific play, like one that worked earlier or one that they practiced during the week. He can also call a play after a break, but not on the 40-second clock. I'd say a HC should call far less than 10% of the plays. I know there are head coaches out there that can do both, but not many.

The Giants lost at least 3 games this year because of DaBoll's decisions. I think going for 2 vs the Redskins was 1 that was a bad decision on his part that might've been avoided if he didn't have the pressure of calling the play to worry about.

Allie Sherman was asked what he thought about his kicker's game winning field goal and he said he didn't see it. He was busy getting his defense ready in case the kicker missed it.

I am also not a fan of HC's calling plays.  They need to be more observant to how individual players are performing, is a unit sluggish, or someone's confidence down.  They can't be mired in a playcall sheet.  I like when they hear all the offensive and defensive calls through a headset and maybe give an opinion occasionally, but they need to be gauging the mental state of the team.

So how does Andy Reid and the other one who isnt named, manage it while most in the league now or prior, appear to struggle?

To anyone who wants Daboll to give up play calling, what else should he be doing, that there is clear, indisputable evidence he isn't doing?

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 07, 2025, 11:08:47 AMSo how does Andy Reid and the other one who isnt named, manage it while most in the league now or prior, appear to struggle?

To anyone who wants Daboll to give up play calling, what else should he be doing, that there is clear, indisputable evidence he isn't doing?

Reid is a very experienced head coach and proven himself to handle the all the responsibilities. McAdoo, Shurmur and Daboll have limited head coaching experience. Not many can do both. As far as what he should be doing, see the posts above.

I don't understand why you hire an coordinator and then you don't let him run that side of the ball, whether offense or defense.
Hire a coordinator that's on the same page and has the same philosophy as you do and this shouldn't be a problem.
Seems like an ego thing to me.
(Reid being the exception as he has proven he knows how to get it done)

This is an excellent topic. One that I otherwise haven't put much thought into.

It's funny, as I watch Daboll on the sidelines, I view him as almost entirely engaged in the offense.

When you couple that with a roughly fifteen point per game average, that alone is worrisome for our immediate future.


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Quote from: Philosophers on January 07, 2025, 10:31:25 AMI am also not a fan of HC's calling plays.  They need to be more observant to how individual players are performing, is a unit sluggish, or someone's confidence down.  They can't be mired in a playcall sheet.  I like when they hear all the offensive and defensive calls through a headset and maybe give an opinion occasionally, but they need to be gauging the mental state of the team.

I was skeptical of Daboll taking over the playcalling. It takes the focus away from the team and he was clearly more concerned with the offense than the team as a whole. That's where I fault him the most.

I certainly hope Schoen had a heart to heart with him and told him that he needs to bring in a real OC and Daboll needs to manage the team only.

Quote from: T200 on January 08, 2025, 08:13:11 AMI was skeptical of Daboll taking over the playcalling. It takes the focus away from the team and he was clearly more concerned with the offense than the team as a whole. That's where I fault him the most.

I certainly hope Schoen had a heart to heart with him and told him that he needs to bring in a real OC and Daboll needs to manage the team only.

Tim,

One thing served by Daboll calling plays is it forced Daboll to focus on play calling, which meant he was less likely to be angry and disruptive on the sidelines (as was reported after the 2023 season).

From my perspective, I am not sure if Daboll calling or not calling plays was the biggest coaching issue.  To me, the biggest coaching issue (beyond how the defense was run) was all the dumb penalties, blown assignments, and dropped passes.   If Daboll asked my advice, that would be where I would tell him to put his focus.  Fix the details and the big picture will get better.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 08, 2025, 08:17:10 AMTim,

One thing served by Daboll calling plays is it forced Daboll to focus on play calling, which meant he was less likely to be angry and disruptive on the sidelines (as was reported after the 2023 season).

From my perspective, I am not sure if Daboll calling or not calling plays was the biggest coaching issue.  To me, the biggest coaching issue (beyond how the defense was run) was all the dumb penalties, blown assignments, and dropped passes.   If Daboll asked my advice, that would be where I would tell him to put his focus.  Fix the details and the big picture will get better.

Rich,

I don't disagree with your great points. I do think that if he had a real OC, that's who would be holding the offense more accountable for the dumb penalties, blown assignments, and dropped passes.

I think he spread himself too thin and the whole team suffered for it.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 08, 2025, 08:17:10 AMTim,

One thing served by Daboll calling plays is it forced Daboll to focus on play calling, which meant he was less likely to be angry and disruptive on the sidelines (as was reported after the 2023 season).

From my perspective, I am not sure if Daboll calling or not calling plays was the biggest coaching issue.  To me, the biggest coaching issue (beyond how the defense was run) was all the dumb penalties, blown assignments, and dropped passes.   If Daboll asked my advice, that would be where I would tell him to put his focus.  Fix the details and the big picture will get better.

I kind of agree with Mighty on this one. I think it's Daboll's seemingly lack of focus on the small details that lead to the these things mentioned above. Surely, "it takes a village" approach where all coaches concentrate on that kind of stuff is best, but I think the main responsibility for it lies with the HC and when he's distracted with calling the plays, that's where this suffers the most.