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I doubt many of us had him on our list of "must keep".

But that 8 game run in '22 was fun.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 07, 2025, 06:38:17 PMhttps://x.com/dduggan21/status/1876773912949686347?s=46&t=AA9Ptl-VPYK0JnuHE-oAWA


I doubt many of us had him on our list of "must keep".

But that 8 game run in '22 was fun.

So much fun we still havent been able to pay off that credit card bill.

Dabol couldn't figure out how to utilize Hodgins after he had a greal good season and he has done the same with Hyatt after a promising rookie year where he shower flashes and separation ability.

What does it say about Dabol when he can't improve a WR

Quote from: Trench on January 08, 2025, 06:58:08 AMDabol couldn't figure out how to utilize Hodgins after he had a greal good season and he has done the same with Hyatt after a promising rookie year where he shower flashes and separation ability.

What does it say about Dabol when he can't improve a WR

After the 2022 season, Carl Banks talked about the coach's frustration at the lack of speed at the WR position.  That lack of speed required the receiver to be schemed open rather than letting him beat his man one-on-one.   Hodgins, with his 4.61 40 time, was the poster boy for lack of speed, despite his good hands and crisp route running. 

I think crisp route running is more important than speed.  Look at Wes Welker and Troy Brown for example.  I know route running can be taught and speed can't but it's not that easy!

Quote from: WheresDayne on January 08, 2025, 08:37:52 AMI think crisp route running is more important than speed.  Look at Wes Welker and Troy Brown for example.  I know route running can be taught and speed can't but it's not that easy!

I believe poor route running (he needs to chop his feet to slow down before making cuts) is what has been holding Hyatt back despite his impressive speed.

All BS excuses to bail out Dabol. For all his "expertise" what we HAVE seen is a "guru" who watched players like Hodgens, Bellinger, Theo (beginning of season) and Hyatt year one all do very well - only to see them either in a doghouse or not targeted/used. I read here early in season how Theo was a bust, as was Bellinger and then as soon as we started going to them, both of them produced!...same with Tracy out of the backfield. 

At some point it's in Dabol. 

our loss...niners gain.

Quote from: President Rick on January 08, 2025, 04:11:39 PMour loss...niners gain.

What will we do without his 2 catches for 12 yards! 

Quote from: Trench on January 08, 2025, 06:58:08 AMDabol couldn't figure out how to utilize Hodgins after he had a greal good season and he has done the same with Hyatt after a promising rookie year where he shower flashes and separation ability.

What does it say about Dabol when he can't improve a WR

Hodgins spent virtually the entire year on our practice squad, meaning any team could have signed him to their active roster. What does that say about the NFL's other 31 coaches, who also determined they couldn't overcome his very limited physical abilities? Furthermore, Hodgins signed a "futures contract," which has a maximum value that cannot exceed the league minimum. This suggests that even Hodgins himself understands his limited options and value. He lacks speed and has minimal explosiveness, making it entirely unfair to blame Daboll for being unable to overcome Hodgins' physical limitations.

Quote from: kingm56 on January 09, 2025, 12:51:54 PMHodgins spent virtually the entire year on our practice squad, meaning any team could have signed him to their active roster. What does that say about the NFL's other 31 coaches, who also determined they couldn't overcome his very limited physical abilities? Furthermore, Hodgins signed a "futures contract," which has a maximum value that cannot exceed the league minimum. This suggests that even Hodgins himself understands his limited options and value. He lacks speed and has minimal explosiveness, making it entirely unfair to blame Daboll for being unable to overcome Hodgins' physical limitations.

I understand, but the year we won the playoff game against Minnesota, he was maybe our best WR and he did make huge catches in big spots...I'm not saying he's an all pro but u shouldn't go from being the most reliable guy to a practice squad.

Add in Hyatt and Bellinger lack of targets in year 2 and I think it's very fair to question what did Daboll do to them and why?

Bellinger was targeted late this season and produced so the whole thing is wacky. Dabol should be made to answer why

Quote from: Trench on January 08, 2025, 09:48:30 AMAll BS excuses to bail out Dabol. For all his "expertise" what we HAVE seen is a "guru" who watched players like Hodgens, Bellinger, Theo (beginning of season) and Hyatt year one all do very well - only to see them either in a doghouse or not targeted/used. I read here early in season how Theo was a bust, as was Bellinger and then as soon as we started going to them, both of them produced!...same with Tracy out of the backfield. 

At some point it's in Daboll. 

They all ran routes and were open plenty, VERY WIDE open, not Dabolls fault Daniel Jones was blind or could not do anything beyond his first read that he always locked onto.

Daboll has things to improve, but this in my opinion is not one of them.

For some of the players, such as Hyatt, I also think saying they did very well is a bit too much credit, but until we have a QB that will throw to wide open guys we will never know either way, IDC who the coach is. You can coach wide open guys, the playcaller doesn't throw the ball.

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 09, 2025, 01:14:01 PMThey all ran routes and were open plenty, VERY WIDE open, not Dabolls fault Daniel Jones was blind or could not do anything beyond his first read that he always locked onto.

Daboll has things to improve, but this in my opinion is not one of them.

For some of the players, such as Hyatt, I also think saying they did very well is a bit too much credit, but until we have a QB that will throw to wide open guys we will never know either way, IDC who the coach is. You can coach wide open guys, the playcaller doesn't throw the ball.

Fair point but Hyatt looked so darn good his rookie year. U don't just lose that

Quote from: Trench on January 09, 2025, 01:19:52 PMFair point but Hyatt looked so darn good his rookie year. U don't just lose that

I saw some plays earlier in the year, where he was wide open, last year too. This offense has been held back by Jones, the play calls have done what they set out to do, much more than Jones defenders would ever consider giving credit for.

I do think Hyatt is a bit one dimensional, and feel it was just a bad connection between that dimension and the QBs abilities, or lack thereof.

Quote from: Trench on January 09, 2025, 01:12:21 PMI understand, but the year we won the playoff game against Minnesota, he was maybe our best WR and he did make huge catches in big spots...I'm not saying he's an all pro but u shouldn't go from being the most reliable guy to a practice squad.

Add in Hyatt and Bellinger lack of targets in year 2 and I think it's very fair to question what did Daboll do to them and why?

Bellinger was targeted late this season and produced so the whole thing is wacky. Dabol should be made to answer why

Who would you inactivate to allow Hodgins to start? Due to his lack of speed, Hodgins is a liability on special teams, which means he can't replace WRs #5 or #6, as they provide value as kick returners, punt returners, or gunners. This narrows the options to Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt, and Slayton. Those players were either injured (Slayton and Robinson) or not on the roster during the 2022 season. It's unlikely that you'd bench any of them to make room for Hodgins. This is why I find it unfair to blame the head coach for Hodgins' lack of development. The reality is that he simply hasn't proven to be better than the players ahead of him to justify earning a game-day jersey.