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What are your expectations for Banks moving forward?   What are his flaws/problems?  Are they fixable?


https://nypost.com/2025/01/08/sports/giants-deonte-banks-facing-key-make-or-break-third-season/

Good question

If we miss out on QB I expect us to get Travis Hunter.... I expect them to name Banks CB1 at start of season...but if struggles I see Hunter moving there and shadowing WR1's and Banks being CB2 .... which I think would benefit him

In people's opinions, did Banks regress this year? Or just not make an improvement?

Was the change of DC bad for him?  More zone vs man? 

Felt like we saw flashes in the rookie season albeit not consistent or overwhelming

Quote from: killarich on January 09, 2025, 09:01:09 AMIf we miss out on QB I expect us to get Travis Hunter.... I expect them to name Banks CB1 at start of season...but if struggles I see Hunter moving there and shadowing WR1's and Banks being CB2 .... which I think would benefit him

Travis could plug a hole and a half.  He could solve the need for a number one CB while also providing another quality receiving target to go along with Nabers, at least on a part-time basis.

There would IMO be no conflict if the Giants take Hunter.
The two men mostly played on opposite sides of the field in college.

In the NFL, of course, you do what the game plan demands, but I could easily see them on the same team with no ego problems, and (rather) with the type of healthy competition you need to build a dominant defense.

Bob

PS. By the way, the same is true if they were to select Michigan's all-world corner back (I keep referring to Will Johnson like that because his name is not as distinctive as many players nowadays, and he's not nearly as well-known to those who don't follow college ball).

Banks needs to make his own business decision this offseason.

Men make an impact and become all pros

Boys also make an impact and end up unemployed.


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In my opinion, the biggest issue for Banks is that he doesn't seem to be able to play the ball well.  When scouting CBs we tend to focus on their speed and their ability to keep up with the receiver he is covering.   The ability to know when to get your head around and then being able to locate the ball and figure out its trajectory quickly is also vital.   That is the area that Banks seems to be lacking.  I am not sure how much a CB can train to improve that skill.

I'm not just worried about Banks. I'm worried for the entire last years draft class because the Giants don't develop talent well. All the players do is regress after their rookie seasons.

Quote from: Giantleap56 on January 09, 2025, 09:47:46 AMI'm not just worried about Banks. I'm worried for the entire last years draft class because the Giants don't develop talent well. All the players do is regress after their rookie seasons.

Years ago, I met "Marty from Albany".  At one time, he was a bit of a pseudo-fan/journalist who covered the team in training camp back when they held it up in Albany.  He posted on BBI but was known to do some work for Pat Traina.  We got to talking one day.  He made a point to me that after a player's rookie season, there is a year of game tape that is then broken down by the best football minds on the planet looking for weaknesses and aspects to exploit.   Up until the NFL, that really doesn't happen to them.

That is why you often see a player struggle in year two.  The good ones counter what is done to them, and the limited ones regress.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 09, 2025, 09:41:00 AMIn my opinion, the biggest issue for Banks is that he doesn't seem to be able to play the ball well.  When scouting CBs we tend to focus on their speed and their ability to keep up with the receiver he is covering.  The ability to know when to get your head around and then being able to locate the ball and figure out its trajectory quickly is also vital.  That is the area that Banks seems to be lacking.  I am not sure how much a CB can train to improve that skill.

Rich: You know I don't "think defense" a lot, but my impression (for what it's worth) is he should stay on the defensive left side of the field. The fact that they took him in the first round does not automatically make him a "shut-down" corner who follows the opponent's best guy around. Forgotten (just like with the case of Thibodeaux) is the run-game aspect. Banks is much better playing the run from the defensive left side, IMO. I don't know why. All I know is some players play better on one side of the field. That doesn't mean he wasn't worth the first-round pick. It just means he's not as versatile as either of the two corner backs who are likely to be there for the Giants in round one. Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 09, 2025, 09:55:04 AMYears ago, I met "Marty from Albany".  At one time, he was a bit of a pseudo-fan/journalist who covered the team in training camp back when they held it up in Albany.  He posted on BBI but was known to do some work for Pat Traina.  We got to talking one day.  He made a point to me that after a player's rookie season, there is a year of game tape that is then broken down by the best football minds on the planet looking for weaknesses and aspects to exploit.   Up until the NFL, that really doesn't happen to them.

That is why you often see a player struggle in year two.  The good ones counter what is done to them, and the limited ones regress.

Rich,

I agree with your point and I think its most visible with QBs.  At the same time I do wonder about the coordinator change.  Again, when we see young QB go through a coordinator change we almost always (There are some exceptions) see struggles.  Its tough to truly grow when you are going back steps to learn new systems. 

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 09, 2025, 10:01:11 AMRich,

I agree with your point and I think its most visible with QBs.  At the same time I do wonder about the coordinator change.  Again, when we see young QB go through a coordinator change we almost always (There are some exceptions) see struggles.  Its tough to truly grow when you are going back steps to learn new systems. 

Anytime you change coordinators and usually defensive systems, you will always suffer (to some degree) the square peg in a round hole syndrome. 

I honestly feel Bowen just was not a good fit for the personnel that we had overall, alot of players regressed from last year when they were on the field.

Unfortunately I see him as a #2 most likely. I do not think he will be able to consistently cover the #1 guy on some teams, so getting another guy and some depth will be critical.

But overall, a DC who can properly utilize the talent on the defensive side (yes we do have talent here), is going to be most important. I don't want Bowen to return. Maybe with a new DC he can be a #1 who knows, rookie year was promising.

Daboll has several other guys he wanted first, but the other teams blocked their interview requests, which shows me that the Giants intitially were looking in the right places.

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 09, 2025, 10:12:36 AMI honestly feel Bowen just was not a good fit for the personnel that we had overall, alot of players regressed from last year when they were on the field.

Unfortunately I see him as a #2 most likely. I do not think he will be able to consistently cover the #1 guy on some teams, so getting another guy and some depth will be critical.

But overall, a DC who can properly utilize the talent on the defensive side (yes we do have talent here), is going to be most important. I don't want Bowen to return. Maybe with a new DC he can be a #1 who knows, rookie year was promising.

Daboll has several other guys he wanted first, but the other teams blocked their interview requests, which shows me that the Giants intitially were looking in the right places.

The Giants had 2 ST coordinator interview requests denied, and one DC interview request denied.  I believe two other DC targets took jobs with other teams.