Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 09, 2025, 10:12:36 AMI honestly feel Bowen just was not a good fit for the personnel that we had overall, alot of players regressed from last year when they were on the field.

Unfortunately I see him as a #2 most likely. I do not think he will be able to consistently cover the #1 guy on some teams, so getting another guy and some depth will be critical.

But overall, a DC who can properly utilize the talent on the defensive side (yes we do have talent here), is going to be most important. I don't want Bowen to return. Maybe with a new DC he can be a #1 who knows, rookie year was promising.

Daboll has several other guys he wanted first, but the other teams blocked their interview requests, which shows me that the Giants intitially were looking in the right places.

Gap: This is a really good post and it covers a lot of topics, all squeezed into a very small space, and I agree with each and every one. My only quibble (and you may agree with this) is that Banks was worth a first-round pick even though he may only be a #2 CB, but IMO he's as good a run defender as any #1 CB and perhaps better than most. Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 09, 2025, 10:20:26 AMGap: This is a really good post and it covers a lot of topics, all squeezed into a very small space, and I agree with each and every one. My only quibble (and you may agree with this) is that Banks was worth a first-round pick even though he may only be a #2 CB, but IMO he's as good a run defender as any #1 QB and perhaps better than most. Bob

As long as he plays well, I'm fine with the pick regardless of depth chart status. He is a talented player.

My main gripe is I'm not sure he needed to be traded up a spot for.

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 09, 2025, 10:34:22 AMAs long as he plays well, I'm fine with the pick regardless of depth chart status. He is a talented player.

My main gripe is I'm not sure he needed to be traded up a spot for.

I hear you, but after getting burned several times (usually by the Eagles) in prior years, I can't blame the Giants for being overly cautious. For example, Davonte Smith should have been a Giant. Bob

Quote from: killarich on January 09, 2025, 09:01:09 AMIf we miss out on QB I expect us to get Travis Hunter.... I expect them to name Banks CB1 at start of season...but if struggles I see Hunter moving there and shadowing WR1's and Banks being CB2 .... which I think would benefit him

i think this is the best scenario for us. sorry but sanders or ward are not the answer for a regime that is TEETERING. if they go 1,2.. you have to take hunter. from everything i've read, he's THAT good. takes a lot of pressure off banks (who i think can get back to decent form). and we have basically zero depth after that outside of dru phillips who is pretty good, but can he keep it up? If we had all 3, thats an extremely solid cb room. Plus it leaves a little room for some snaps at WR for hunter.

but to the original point, i think banks, and the whole team, could benefit from a little winning. you hate to see a guy mail it in because the team sucks, but you can hardly blame him. winning cures all.

Quote from: B1GBLUE on January 09, 2025, 10:59:21 AMdru phillips who is pretty good, but can he keep it up? If we had all 3, thats an extremely solid cb room. Plus it leaves a little room for some snaps at WR for hunter.

B-one: I believe not only can Phillips keep it up, he's going to be an excellent slot man real soon. He was IMO a very underrated draft pick (must stay healthy).

Snaps at WR for Hunter: there will be at least a small package for him, but when they see how good he is I don't know if they'll be able to keep him off the field.

One thing: he is not a home run hitter... he is a POSSESSION receiver (with big-play potential. That's very rare. He excels at using his football knowledge (which IMO is exceptional) to get open against zone, and once he gets the ball he is a serious threat to take it all the way, because he seems to know where all of the defenders will be, including those on the other side of the field. He has the potential to be a unicorn on offense and a stalwart on defense.

Bob

Quote from: B1GBLUE on January 09, 2025, 10:59:21 AMi think this is the best scenario for us. sorry but sanders or ward are not the answer for a regime that is TEETERING. if they go 1,2.. you have to take hunter. from everything i've read, he's THAT good. takes a lot of pressure off banks (who i think can get back to decent form). and we have basically zero depth after that outside of dru phillips who is pretty good, but can he keep it up? If we had all 3, thats an extremely solid cb room. Plus it leaves a little room for some snaps at WR for hunter.

My thought lately is what if Ward and Hunter go 1/2. I'm not a Sanders fan, so in that case I'd rather see them going non-QB at 3. CB Johnson? DT Graham? Edge Carter? Any of those positions would fill a need. Trading back, if a partner can be found, might also make sense with a team as devoid of talent as are the Giants. I guess they will be plenty of threads on this in the coming weeks and months.

Quote from: Sem on January 09, 2025, 11:31:05 AMMy thought lately is what if Ward and Hunter go 1/2. I'm not a Sanders fan, so in that case I'd rather see them going non-QB at 3. CB Johnson? DT Graham? Edge Carter? Any of those positions would fill a need. Trading back, if a partner can be found, might also make sense with a team as devoid of talent as are the Giants. I guess they will be plenty of threads on this in the coming weeks and months.

S: No matter how you slice it, the Giants will get a blue-chip prospect in this draft unless they want to or decide to trade down. They can always take a shot a QB in a later round or even trade up to the bottom of the 1st for a guy they really like. Until draft day, I'll be biting my nails hoping both QB's are gone, because if one or both are there, I believe they will be under considerable pressure to nose their noses and take a QB. Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 09, 2025, 11:41:37 AMS: No matter how you slice it, the Giants will get a blue-chip prospect in this draft unless they want to or decide to trade down. They can always take a shot a QB in a later round or even trade up to the bottom of the 1st for a guy they really like. Until draft day, I'll be biting my nails hoping both QB's are gone, because if one or both are there, I believe they will be under considerable pressure to nose their noses and take a QB. Bob

Bob,

what are your thoughts on Abdul Carter?  I think he is going to be great at the next level.  I know you watch Penn St and wanted to get your take. 

Hope he shows up big tonight.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 09, 2025, 11:43:36 AMBob,

what are your thoughts on Abdul Carter?  I think he is going to be great at the next level.  I know you watch Penn St and wanted to get your take. 

Hope he shows up big tonight.

uconn: As for tonight, Carter is injured. I suspect it will affect his play tonight, but he is true gamer. He'll be out there hiding it, but you'll be able to tell by how often (if ever) they take him out of the game.

Most people have him as a top five pick and they are correct. He is a blue-chip prospect. Will he be the "next [fill-in-the-blank]?  I don't know. He is a true Swiss-army knife who can play inside, outside and at linebacker in the NFL depending on who's running the defense.

Is he better than (for example) Micah Parsons?  Some say yes, but I say no, only because Parsons' accomplishments so far have been so very good. Is he as good? Probably. For the Giants, it may come down to where they think they need the most help rather than who's left.

In such cases, and ASSUMING both QB's are gone by Pick Three (I'm praying hard for that to happen) there is a school of thought that you "punt" and trade down to about five or six or maybe even seven because the team has so many holes. There are IMO four or five can't-miss players and, ideally, you want to have a choice of at least TWO of them.

On the other hand, it's likely they'll really fall in love with one of the non-QB's and just take him at Pick Three. In my experience (oy!) it's the "Giants thing to do." lol

Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 09, 2025, 11:24:59 AMB-one: I believe not only can Phillips keep it up, he's going to be an excellent slot man real soon. He was IMO a very underrated draft pick (must stay healthy).

Snaps at WR for Hunter: there will be at least a small package for him, but when they see how good he is I don't know if they'll be able to keep him off the field.

One thing: he is not a home run hitter... he is a POSSESSION receiver (with big-play potential. That's very rare. He excels at using his football knowledge (which IMO is exceptional) to get open against zone, and once he gets the ball he is a serious threat to take it all the way, because he seems to know where all of the defenders will be, including those on the other side of the field. He has the potential to be a unicorn on offense and a stalwart on defense.

Bob

Not a bad problem to have considering he'd basically instantly be cb1 and wr2. I would start him on D and work him into the O. If he winds up being THAT good on O, man, that's a good problem to have. I can't see him playing both sides very much, but if there's certain matchups that week.. gah the possibilities are pretty exciting.

I'd love to get Hunter, and sign Reed/Adebo in FA then have 2 elite corners with Phillip in the slot.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 09, 2025, 03:09:59 PMI'd love to get Hunter, and sign Reed/Adebo in FA then have 2 elite corners with Phillip in the slot.

I'd love Hunter too; however, I don't believe Tenn or the Raiders will be dumb enough not to pick him...

Quote from: kingm56 on January 09, 2025, 04:18:04 PMI'd love Hunter too; however, I don't believe Tenn or the Raiders will be dumb enough not to pick him...

If hunter is taken then I'm going Abdul Carter, and taking a Trey Amos at the top of the 2nd. I think Amos be better than Johnson in the NFL.

A CB1 is more important to the Giants than a WR2 as Hunter likely would be 2 behind Nabers but 1 versus Deonte Banks.  Therefore Hunter has to play CB.

I think the problem is that he may be WR1 in this draft but he is not CB1 in this draft as that is Johnson.

If you draft Johnson, he slots in immediately as CB1.  What if Hunter says I want to play equally on O and D and Giants do not want to do that?  I am not suggesting he's a troublemaker at all but he may be pretty committed to wanting to do that.

I don't want them to draft for need, but if they are going to go defense with the 1st and 2nd pick I hope they have those defensive players rated higher by a significant margin.