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I don't think anyone here wanted him, but one less QB off the board for this year.

I was obvious by the middle of October that he wasn't going to get drafted in the first two rounds this year. I don't think it's a surprise that he elected to hit the portal. He's dating one of the Cavendar twins so I expect him to replace Ward at Miami.

My guess is he's going to Ohio State.

Talk about a program built to make mediocre QB's look like NFL first rounders.


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I have been trying to keep all the QB-related news on the 2025 QB prospects thread.

Considering that Beck needs surgery and would miss all the pre-draft process that might bump up his stock, it makes sense for him to go back for another year.

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His girlfriend attends Miami so the thought is he is heading there.

Quote from: madbadger on January 09, 2025, 03:16:11 PMI was obvious by the middle of October that he wasn't going to get drafted in the first two rounds this year. I don't think it's a surprise that he elected to hit the portal. He's dating one of the Cavendar twins so I expect him to replace Ward at Miami.

Who are the Cavendars?

Question about transferring after 4 years of college. How does this work with their education? Are they entering into a Master program? Am I a fool for even bringing up the fact that these are institution of higher learning and that the point of attending is to actually do school work? Are normal students allowed to transfer 1 year shy of a degree?

Quote from: TDToomer on January 10, 2025, 09:04:17 AMWho are the Cavendars?

Question about transferring after 4 years of college. How does this work with their education? Are they entering into a Master program? Am I a fool for even bringing up the fact that these are institution of higher learning and that the point of attending is to actually do school work? Are normal students allowed to transfer 1 year shy of a degree?

Donny,

These days, it's more accurate to think of NCAA Football as a professional league, with various colleges being the owners of the teams.  While the schools still offer education to team employees, the facade of "student-athlete" has been stripped for the most part.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 10, 2025, 09:13:39 AMDonny,

These days, it's more accurate to think of NCAA Football as a professional team, with various colleges being the owners of the teams.  While the schools still offer education to team employees, the facade of "student-athlete" has been stripped for the most part.

So it's no longer a requirement to enroll in and attend classes? Even at ND which traditionally made athletes abide by their rigorous academic requirements?

Quote from: TDToomer on January 10, 2025, 09:23:42 AMSo it's no longer a requirement to enroll in and attend classes? Even at ND which traditionally made athletes abide by their rigorous academic requirements?

You make an excellent point about the requirements (I will post what I found at the bottom).  Maybe someone like @Jclayton92, who is pretty involved with a top NCAA program, can explain how teams get around or handle the academic part (since you hardly ever hear of a player losing eligibility due to grades anymore).




To be eligible for NCAA football, student-athletes must meet the following academic requirements:
Core GPA
Earn a minimum 2.3 GPA in the 16 NCAA-approved core courses for Division I, or a 2.2 GPA for Division II
Core courses
Complete 10 of the 16 core courses, including seven in English, math, or science, before the start of the seventh semester in high school
Sliding scale
Meet an increased sliding-scale standard if they score below a certain level on the SAT
Student-athletes who don't meet the minimum academic requirements can't: practice, compete, and receive an athletic scholarship.
Other NCAA academic requirements include:
Completing 40% of required coursework by the end of the second year, 60% by the end of the third year, and 80% by the end of the fourth year
Having five years of eligibility and athletically related financial aid
Meeting the academic standards set by their chosen college or university for Division III
Student-athletes are also ineligible if they:
Have taken pay, or the promise of pay, for competing in the sport
Agreed to compete in professional athletics in the sport
Played on any professional athletics team in the sport

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 10, 2025, 09:27:55 AMYou make an excellent point about the requirements (I will post what I found at the bottom).  Maybe someone like @Jclayton92, who is pretty involved with a top NCAA program, can explain how teams get around or handle the academic part (since you hardly ever hear of a player losing eligibility due to grades anymore).




To be eligible for NCAA football, student-athletes must meet the following academic requirements:
Core GPA
Earn a minimum 2.3 GPA in the 16 NCAA-approved core courses for Division I, or a 2.2 GPA for Division II
Core courses
Complete 10 of the 16 core courses, including seven in English, math, or science, before the start of the seventh semester in high school
Sliding scale
Meet an increased sliding-scale standard if they score below a certain level on the SAT
Student-athletes who don't meet the minimum academic requirements can't: practice, compete, and receive an athletic scholarship.
Other NCAA academic requirements include:
Completing 40% of required coursework by the end of the second year, 60% by the end of the third year, and 80% by the end of the fourth year
Having five years of eligibility and athletically related financial aid
Meeting the academic standards set by their chosen college or university for Division III
Student-athletes are also ineligible if they:
Have taken pay, or the promise of pay, for competing in the sport
Agreed to compete in professional athletics in the sport
Played on any professional athletics team in the sport

A lot are done through loop holes. Like 95% of student athletes apply for aide so they have someone tutor them but because they are student athletes they take a lot of their tests away from the class with "the aide" assisting them in "reading the questions".

The only time you really hear about a kid being academically ineligible these days is before they get to the bigger programs. Like say they went the juco route initially or to a small backwoods high school that didn't have the resources to "assist" them and instead just fudge the grades.

The most high profile academically ineligible player that I've Even heard of it happening to recently was Deion Smith, the former LSU freshman that was supposedly smoking Derek Stingley (the top 5 pick and all pro) in practice daily as a freshman, the year Stingely got drafted and was making Nabers look average. So much so that he got the name Baby Moss from scouts. He just refused to go to class and tried to transfer to Ole Miss and couldn't get the academics, so they paid him to go to community College, paid for his grades, and he still came back this past season and was ruled ineligible because half his courses came from a school that is known for giving grades for money and the ncaa wouldn't approve it.


Outside that I haven't heard of really any issues because as long as you have a pulse and legs the university will get you the grades.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 10, 2025, 09:42:04 AMA lot are done through loop holes. Like 95% of student athletes apply for aide so they have someone tutor them but because they are student athletes they take a lot of their tests away from the class with "the aide" assisting them in "reading the questions".

The only time you really hear about a kid being academically ineligible these days is before they get to the bigger programs. Like say they went the juco route initially or to a small backwoods high school that didn't have the resources to "assist" them and instead just fudge the grades.

The most high profile academically ineligible player that I've Even heard of it happening to recently was Deion Smith, the former LSU freshman that was supposedly smoking Derek Stingley (the top 5 pick and all pro) in practice daily as a freshman, the year Stingely got drafted and was making Nabers look average. So much so that he got the name Baby Moss from scouts. He just refused to go to class and tried to transfer to Ole Miss and couldn't get the academics, so they paid him to go to community College, paid for his grades, and he still came back this past season and was ruled ineligible because half his courses came from a school that is known for giving grades for money and the ncaa wouldn't approve it.


Outside that I haven't heard of really any issues because as long as you have a pulse and legs the university will get you the grades.

Thanks for sharing your insights, Jess.    Sounds like the colleges have it figured out. 

Quote from: TDToomer on January 10, 2025, 09:04:17 AMWho are the Cavendars?

Question about transferring after 4 years of college. How does this work with their education? Are they entering into a Master program? Am I a fool for even bringing up the fact that these are institution of higher learning and that the point of attending is to actually do school work? Are normal students allowed to transfer 1 year shy of a degree?

The Cavenders are basketball players who've become very wealthy through NIL primarily because they are very attractive while being slightly above average as players.

https://x.com/albertbreer/status/1877857881040527677?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 10, 2025, 06:35:01 PMhttps://x.com/albertbreer/status/1877857881040527677?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

The downside is that if a guy becomes an elite player in the NFL he lost a year of NFL earnings in his prime, which will dwarf $4 million.

Beck has a lot of work tondo before he is considered a first rounder again.  Also he will now have to deal with durability concerns over his arm surgery.