Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: BlueMoshik on January 13, 2025, 07:53:04 AMGuys: if Sanders is there at number 3, the Giants will take him. They won't need to trade, and they won't trade down. They don't need to make any deals. They will simply take Sanders. Better get used to the idea now.

I suspect that's the case, but if the Raiders come calling, Schoen has to listen and build a better roster more importantly. I would be fine with that. Sanders gives fans hope. but I want value at a number of other needed positions. Sanders is hardly in the company of Daniels or Maye. Williams,too.

Quote from: BlueMoshik on January 13, 2025, 07:53:04 AMGuys: if Sanders is there at number 3, the Giants will take him. They won't need to trade, and they won't trade down. They don't need to make any deals. They will simply take Sanders. Better get used to the idea now.

BlueM: My nightmare scenario. Bob

Why everyone wants the Giants to get guys that would have been behind Mccarthy and Nix last year is beyond me. Sanders is like the 17th best prospect in his own class. No thank you, I'd rather be bad another year than take the wrong guy.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 13, 2025, 11:09:14 AMWhy everyone wants the Giants to get guys that would have been behind Mccarthy and Nix last year is beyond me. Sanders is like the 17th best prospect in his own class. No thank you, I'd rather be bad another year than take the wrong guy.

J: Yeah, I figure the 2026 draft group will have one or two TRUE high-1st-round-worthy QB's. Bob

Quote from: Philosophers on January 13, 2025, 08:29:44 AMSanders is not a mobile QB.  Our OL is not good and Thomas is always injured.  If we draft Sanders in round 1 we better be drafting an OT and G to start in 2-3.

Please dont say "before AT got injured the OL was ok."  It has never been good but only marginal.  Also he will get injured.  Book it.  We need two OL out of this draft.  Push starters to bench for better depth.

You don't go into the upcoming free agency and draft without being able to recite the above, word for word, lest you wish the offense to gyrate further to their net growth  of minus "choose the offensive category" over the last few seasons.

Fix the damn offensive line, and reinforce it with improved depth, once and for all!!!

For every one of you who watched the Packers-Iggles debacle yesterday, the Pack did a fine rendition of the Giants' offensive line in 2024, in the span of their one-and-done playoff game. At the end, it was beyond pitiful to watch them. The Packers' fans got a taste of the bad medicine Giants' fans have been taking over the last 10 years or so.

Is this Giants team going to continue to make excuses for the offensive line or are they going to make a concerted effort to fix it, once and for all, and make it a top priority?

Will they actually "get it" this time around?

Peace!

P.S. NO to Sanders and NOT because of Deion. Personally, I think he would be outstanding as a spokesperson for the Giants with his "I believe in Eli" antics. Silly but those two together would make a buzz in the northeast if the Giants actually draft his son.

Isn't anyone concerned about Sanders rushing?
399 Carries for 29 yards in his college career, that is a 0.1 yards per carry. Negative yards rushing in 3 of the 4 years. His dad has coached him through out his college career. NFL players get faster and faster. I don't see how Sanders will succeed in the NFL. Sanders will be there at 3 which I think is an over reach. He is second round pick they hype up is what needs to be avoided. I feel he is the most hyped player in the draft.
His passing stats are good but have to take into consideration his dad is the coach and probably taught all the plays from the very beginning.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 13, 2025, 11:09:14 AMWhy everyone wants the Giants to get guys that would have been behind Mccarthy and Nix last year is beyond me. Sanders is like the 17th best prospect in his own class. No thank you, I'd rather be bad another year than take the wrong guy.

Because they passed on those higher ranked QB last year, took a WR who was good but the team went 3-14 despite his talent because they didn't have a QB and now with an ultimatum to win in a year, they are desperate. They put themselves in this position.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 13, 2025, 11:09:14 AMWhy everyone wants the Giants to get guys that would have been behind Mccarthy and Nix last year is beyond me. Sanders is like the 17th best prospect in his own class. No thank you, I'd rather be bad another year than take the wrong guy.

Completely agree. Sign Mariota to a short deal. Draft a QB this year in 3rd round or later - or pass on drafting one this year. And then take one in the 1st next year, where there are 5+ guys I'd take over Sanders.

Ideally, if Sanders is still there, trade #3 to Raiders for #6, their 2nd this year, and 3rd next year. Then take Johnson, Carter, Graham in that order at #6.

Quote from: katkavage on January 13, 2025, 11:47:51 AMBecause they passed on those higher ranked QB last year, took a WR who was good but the team went 3-14 despite his talent because they didn't have a QB and now with an ultimatum to win in a year, they are desperate. They put themselves in this position.

kat: Let's just hope they don't make what WE see as an "obvious" mistake and take a QB just to say they took one.

However, if we fans are wrong about either or both of the supposed top two QB's and the Giants' employees who earn money evaluating QB's believe either or both are worth taking so high in the first round, and the Giants draft one, I'd be behind that player 100 percent because I would assume they know better than I do.

In any event, you made a great point, IMO.

Bob

Sanders couldn't win the big 12 with Travis Hunter and horn Jr as his wrs. That alone should alarm anyone scouting him.

Quote from: Philosophers on January 13, 2025, 08:29:44 AMSanders is not a mobile QB.  Our OL is not good and Thomas is always injured.  If we draft Sanders in round 1 we better be drafting an OT and G to start in 2-3.

Please dont say "before AT got injured the OL was ok."  It has never been good but only marginal.  Also he will get injured.  Book it.  We need two OL out of this draft.  Push starters to bench for better depth.

Wasn't the line ranked in the top 10 statistically after the first several weeks before Thomas' injury though? Isn't that progress, shouldn't we expect more development from a good oline coach in year 2? We've spent so much capital on olineman that I'm perfectly fine paying for them in FA and addressing QB, WR, DE, CB etc through the draft with coat controlled contracts.

Quote from: katkavage on January 13, 2025, 11:47:51 AMBecause they passed on those higher ranked QB last year, took a WR who was good but the team went 3-14 despite his talent because they didn't have a QB and now with an ultimatum to win in a year, they are desperate. They put themselves in this position.

I get that the fans feel some sense of desperation but does that mean Schoen and Daboll are?

And if somehow they convey they are, does that mean they will make moves solely based on that desperation?

And further still, does that mean the decisions they make won't work out?

Quote from: T200 on January 13, 2025, 12:25:09 PMI get that the fans feel some sense of desperation but does that mean Schoen and Daboll are?

And if somehow they convey they are, does that mean they will make moves solely based on that desperation?

And further still, does that mean the decisions they make won't work out?

Tim: I honestly believe Daboll will argue strenuously against any QB he does not see as one he wants to work with (which IMO - just guessing - will eliminate Sanders from contention as a possible 1st-round pick.

Almost all NFL coaches are immune to fear about getting fired.

I don't think Schoen has ever been fired from a football-related job and worry about him more than Daboll. Suppose the scouts tell him a guy is great and Daboll disagrees?  That is my nightmare scenario within a nightmare scenario.

Bob

Quote from: Giantleap56 on January 13, 2025, 11:38:18 AMIsn't anyone concerned about Sanders rushing?
399 Carries for 29 yards in his college career, that is a 0.1 yards per carry. Negative yards rushing in 3 of the 4 years.

Does anyone have a decent explanation of this?  Ward isn't much of a runner either but amassed 469 yards on 400 carries. I know Sanders was sacked alot (152 sacks in 1800 dropbacks) compared to Wards college career (156 sacks in 2329 dropbacks) but how do you average .1 YPC?

Quote from: Soundwave401 on January 13, 2025, 12:34:28 PMDoes anyone have a decent explanation of this?  Ward isn't much of a runner either but amassed 469 yards on 400 carries. I know Sanders was sacked alot (152 sacks in 1800 dropbacks) compared to Wards college career (156 sacks in 2329 dropbacks) but how do you average .1 YPC?

SoundW: Are you sure about the number of carries for Ward? Looks like a typo. Bob