Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 13, 2025, 10:59:11 AMIntersting insight - thanks for sharing.

It's similar to what many have been saying for months. I think very few people are entirely happy with the performance of both of them.

However, another strong draft from Schoen and those concerns will mitigate.

Dabs I'm slightly more concerned about but outside of Vrabel, who was never coming here, I didn't see a suitable replacement on the market.

Yup, I have been saying all of this for weeks (and in some cases months)

I think there could be some validity in your suggestion that there wasn't a clear upgrade to Daboll.  One of the things that was unusual in this coaching cycle was the large number of head coaching interviews teams were conducted.  To me, that indicates that teams are not thrilled with who is out there.  If there were impressive prospects, you would expect to see fewer interviews because if you know who you like (and if needed, you do your Rooney rule interviews), the rest of the interviews are a waste of time.  If none of the prospects really excite you, you will tend to conduct more interviews, hoping to get lucky and have someone hit it out of the park in their interview

Neal,

Thanks for sharing that.  One take away for me is about the ownership and the ability to shut down/manage that family back channel.  Almost sounds like a GM would have to have some clout to be able to handle that. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2025, 10:54:13 AMIf you read the outstanding post by @londonblue, they mention their respect for Cowden, who is currently a senior advisor.  The reports are he is going to rejoin Vrabel in New England

Rich: Thanks. It's one report. I already saw the info about Cowden & figured it might be someone else. Bob

One day Mighty will remember Neil not Neal 🤣

The league hive mind apparently thought Tennessee messed up not making Cowden GM. Subsequent events did nothing to dissuade them. Sometimes your reputation benefits from the misery of others it seems.

Quote from: londonblue on January 13, 2025, 11:33:16 AMOne day Mighty will remember Neil not Neal 🤣

The league hive mind apparently thought Tennessee messed up not making Cowden GM. Subsequent events did nothing to dissuade them. Sometimes your reputation benefits from the misery of others it seems.

london: My brother-in-law's name is also Neil and most people are apt to make the same mistake because I believe it's the less-common way to spell it. Bob

Quote from: londonblue on January 13, 2025, 11:33:16 AMOne day Mighty will remember Neil not Neal 🤣

The league hive mind apparently thought Tennessee messed up not making Cowden GM. Subsequent events did nothing to dissuade them. Sometimes your reputation benefits from the misery of others it seems.

 

Neal,  Neil,

From what I have heard, the Titans hired Ran Carthon (son of the former Giant with the same last name).  In Carton's first year, there was a power struggle between Ran and Vrabrel, with the owner siding with Carthon and firing Vrabel.  Fast forward a year, and Vrabrel was the hottest HC candidate, and the owner was firing the GM she had sided with the year before.

While that doesn't prove that Cowden was the better choice, it shows the alternative was a big mistake. Interestingly enough, a similar argument could be made for the Giants that was made for the Titans.  The Giants interviewed Cowden for the GM position and opted to hire Joe Schoen instead. 

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 13, 2025, 11:35:15 AMlondon: My brother-in-law's name is also Neil and most people are apt to make the same mistake because I believe it's the less-common way to spell it. Bob

Thanks for the assist, Bob.  I have to own this one. Neal has corrected me before (I think it could be more than once), and I failed

Quote from: babywhales on January 13, 2025, 11:12:47 AMThere's hope, of course there is hope

No one expected the 11-5 trip to the playoffs in 2016

Nor did they expect the 9-7-1 season ending in the divisional round of playoffs in 22

Sooner or later more will go right than go wrong

Go Giants !!

2016 was the result of Jerry Reese spending like a drunken sailor

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2025, 11:43:25 AM2016 was the result of Jerry Reese spending like a drunken sailor

and in many ways 2022 was the money DG spent irresponsibly; nevertheless, few people say Mcadoo or Daboll taking the team to the playoffs in their first season. 

Side note, this is exactly why the roster comparison of Schoen upon arrival 1st to current year is misguided. 
A better comparison is roster and cap standing upon arrival to present. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2025, 11:38:39 AM 

Neal,
 

Rich: I forgot to mention in my prior post... you still got it wrong in your post replying to london's post mentioning that you got it wrong. lol  It has in "I" in it. Sorry to belabor the point. Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 13, 2025, 12:16:30 PMRich: I forgot to mention in my prior post... you still got it wrong in your post replying to london's post mentioning that you got it wrong. lol  It has in "I" in it. Sorry to belabor the point. Bob

      

There always is hope but that in itself may be of little consolation to Giants fans despite the four Lombardi wins in five Super Bowl appearances as in the 16 SB years prior to the Young/Parcells era the Giants were 45 games under .500 and coincidentally since the end of the Reese/Coughlin era 12 years ago, they are again 45 games under.
 
In any event, let's direct our hope toward not having to wait 4 more years before Our Heroes will again become a steadily winning team, and one to be reckoned with. 

Cheers!