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Minny picks up Jones and Darnold's play declines.       Strange but true.

Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 09:10:39 AMMinny picks up Jones and Darnold's play declines.       Strange but true.

Only in the last 2 games vs playoff teams on the road. Darnold was rolling for a month and a half with Jones as the 4th QB.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 14, 2025, 09:14:55 AMOnly in the last 2 games vs playoff teams on the road. Darnold was rolling for a month and a half with Jones as the 4th QB.

The Dimes Effect needed a little time to marinade   

Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 09:10:39 AMMinny picks up Jones and Darnold's play declines.       Strange but true.

When the pressure ratcheted up, and the games become important (the Lions' game determined bye week VS wildcard team, and of course, the loser goes home playoff game.

It wasn't an ideal look for Darnold.  I am not sure how you are connecting this to Daniel Jones being on the roster for the last two months, but okay.

As Dan said, it's good news/bad news.   The good news is Darnold's last two games increased the odds of him being available and lowered his price, the bad news is that Darnold came up small when things mattered.  Worse, he did that with some of the best QB support in the league.

Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 09:18:00 AMThe Dimes Effect needed a little time to marinade   

Jones has defeated the Vikings twice in the playoffs 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 14, 2025, 09:52:57 AMWhen the pressure ratcheted up, and the games become important (the Lions' game determined bye week VS wildcard team, and of course, the loser goes home playoff game.

It wasn't an ideal look for Darnold.  I am not sure how you are connecting this to Daniel Jones being on the roster for the last two months, but okay.

As Dan said, it's good news/bad news.   The good news is Darnold's last two games increased the odds of him being available and lowered his price, the bad news is that Darnold came up small when things mattered.  Worse, he did that with some of the best QB support in the league.

The connection, as @Ed Vette mentioned previously, is that Finkel is Einhorn, Einhorn is Finkel. Jones is Darnold with legs.

The Jones Effect was a half-hearted joke.

Darnold's season and decline (reversion to his typical performance) is rightfully viewed with some sense of caution since it's only been one season. Ironically, Jones's similar season was enough for many of you to declare that he has arrived.

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 14, 2025, 10:14:10 AMJones has defeated the Vikings twice in the playoffs 

Insider threat   

Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 10:19:29 AMThe connection, as @Ed Vette mentioned previously, is that Finkel is Einhorn, Einhorn is Finkel. Jones is Darnold with legs.

The Jones Effect was a half-hearted joke.

Darnold's season and decline (reversion to his typical performance) is rightfully viewed with some sense of caution since it's only been one season. Ironically, Jones's similar season was enough for many of you to declare that he has arrived.

I am not sure you can compare the two seasons.  DJ came up big when he needed to defeat the Colts to ensure the team made the playoffs and came up big in an away game against the Vikings.  Plus, DJ accomplished what he did with below-average support.  That seems to be quite different than what Darnold did.  Darnold put up flashy stats while enjoying some of the best QB support in the league and then crashed and burned when things mattered.

It's funny how so many people complained about all the DJ talk, and now that he isn't on the team, there are still more posts about him than any Giants-related topic.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 14, 2025, 10:25:03 AMI am not sure you can compare the two seasons.  DJ came up big when he needed to defeat the Colts to ensure the team made the playoffs and came up big in an away game against the Vikings.  Plus, DJ accomplished what he did with below-average support.  That seems to be quite different than what Darnold did.  Darnold put up flashy stats while enjoying some of the best QB support in the league and then crashed and burned when things mattered.

It's funny how so many people complained about all the DJ talk, and now that he isn't on the team, there are still more posts about him than any Giants-related topic.

If that's how you see it...

As always, it's a two-way street. You're pushing back on the talk of a former player but your defense of a former player continues.

QBs need support to be good, meanwhile QBs are no good because they have the best support.

Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 10:28:09 AMIf that's how you see it...

As always, it's a two-way street. You're pushing back on the talk of a former player but your defense of a former player continues.

What I "see" is factually correct.  DJ had objectively good games against the Colts and playoff Vikings, while Darnold had poor games against the Lions and the Rams

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 14, 2025, 10:32:38 AMQBs need support to be good, meanwhile QBs are no good because they have the best support.

My brain hurts

In an effort to ease the pain your brain is suffering, I will attempt to explain.  You are correct; support greatly impacts a QB's performance.   When judging a QB's abilities, you need to account for support.  If a QB overlays their support, that's a good indication of a QB who is above average.  If they underplay their support (which he did with his QB rating/QBR of 55.5/17.4 and 77.6/13.6 against the Lions and Rams, respectively)

Hopefully, that explanation eased your pain and suffering.  If you have further questions, I would be happy to answer   

Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 10:20:11 AMInsider threat   

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 14, 2025, 10:32:43 AMWhat I "see" is factually correct.  DJ had objectively good games against the Colts and playoff Vikings, while Darnold had poor games against the Lions and the Rams

The support DJ had against the Colts and Vikings vanished when they played the Eagles the following week?