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Johnson, Graham then Carter for me. Giants would benefit most from a lockdown corner, then a mauler on the Dline and lastly another pass rusher. I put Carter last because the Giants already have Thibs and Burns.

I would take them in the order they are listed in the subject. I'd rather get one of those guys, and then someone like Deone Walker in Round 2

A dear frien of mine who is a big supporter of Michigan football, ( he has pledged $2 million dollars to the Michigan football program and has become good friends with Jim Harbaugh) says that Mason Graham has been compared favorably with Aiden Hutchinson, the same kind of motor and how he plays hard on every play, and never gives up.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 09, 2025, 10:35:27 PMThe Titans would be mocked ruthlessly all summer and thereafter if they took Carter over Travis Hunter.

I doubt that the Titans will go into next year with Will Levis and Mason Rudolph as their QBS . The pundits are saying that Cam Ward will be their choice unless of course some team ( The Raiders) offers them a haul to move up .

I would prefer the Giants sign DJ Reed in FA and draft Graham

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 10, 2025, 10:00:10 AMA dear frien of mine who is a big supporter of Michigan football, ( he has pledged $2 million dollars to the Michigan football program and has become good friends with Jim Harbaugh) says that Mason Graham has been compared favorably with Aiden Hutchinson, the same kind of motor and how he plays hard on every play, and never gives up.

Other than their size and Hutchinson's speed as a 40 pounds less player, they are almost exactly the same player in terms of extreme aggression and tenacity .  As a former wrestler, Graham plays naturally with leverage whereas Hutchinson learned it in college and utilizes it in a similar fashion.  Both are extremely quick for their size and use that initial burst with leverage really well.  Hutchinson is a natural Edge who plays a lot of DT for the Lions because of his strength and quickness whereas at 320 pounds, Graham is more of a pure DT. 

I like Carter, he would be my choice at 3. Giants are built around defense and should always be. The glory days of Giants has always been a good pass rush and defense a wave of good pass rushers. With Dex and Burns, KT and Ojulari (resigned) Carter would be an amazing addition. It would be like Strahan, Osi, Kiwinuka, Tuck.
Creating wave of players that would make the team relentless.

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 09, 2025, 10:17:21 PMIf all three were available at number 3 who would your choice be . Rank  them in order of your prefetrence.

B-Dave: I'm guessing we are to assume that Travis Hunter is already gone. If not, I pick Hunter.

First would be Mason Graham (the "boring" pick). The Giants need that type of foundational help on defense, and he's a classic and super player. I see him doing for us what Aiden Hutchinson did for the Lions, but at a different position. Next to Dexter even the Eagles' OL would be in trouble. The Lions are so unlucky to have lost Hutch to injury this year, although some say he could be ready if they reach the Super Bowl).

Second would be Abdul Carter, an entirely different player at virtually the same position. Would be a Swiss Army knife who could be used, IMO, at three or four different positions depending on who's the defensive coordinator.

Bob

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 09, 2025, 10:35:27 PMThe Titans would be mocked ruthlessly all summer and thereafter if they took Carter over Travis Hunter.

I like Carter as a prospect more than Hunter.  This reminds me of the 2006 draft, where Hou was mocked for taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush. The latter was a 3x All-Pro and accumulated 97.5 sacks.  It turned out to be the correct pick.

Quote from: kingm56 on January 14, 2025, 11:22:13 AMI like Carter as a prospect more than Hunter.  This reminds me of the 2006 draft, where Hou was mocked for taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush. The latter was a 3x All-Pro and accumulated 97.5 sacks.  It turned out to be the correct pick.

king: I don't know. The thing about Hunter is that it could almost be like getting one-and-one-half blue chip players, and I know a lot about Carter (could exceed Parsons' results in the right defense) but there's no way Carter can be worth the potential value of Hunter. This is so because I consider corner back to be the most valuable individual defensive position in today's NFL. With two shut-down corners you can do so much more on defense (I'm not saying defensive line isn't the most important "segment" of a defense, because it is and it always will be). Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 14, 2025, 11:39:12 AMking: I don't know. The thing about Hunter is that it could almost be like getting one-and-one-half blue chip players, and I know a lot about Carter (could exceed Parsons' results in the right defense) but there's no way Carter can be worth the potential value of Hunter. This is so because I consider corner back to be the most valuable individual defensive position in today's NFL. With two shut-down corners you can do so much more on defense (I'm not saying defensive line isn't the most important "segment" of a defense, because it is and it always will be). Bob

Bob, I half agree with you; to me, a premium pass-rusher is worth more than a CB.  Consider the hightest paid CB vs DE:

1. Jalen Ramsey, Miami Dolphins: $24.1 million (3 years, $72.1 million)
2. Pat Surtain II, Denver Broncos: $24 million (4 years, $96 million)
3. Jaire Alexander, Green Bay Packers: $21 million (4 years, $84 million)

1. Nick Bosa, San Francisco 49ers: $34 million (5 years, $170 million)
2. Joshua Hines-Allen, Jacksonville Jaguars: $28.3 million (5 years, $141.3 million)
3. Brian Burns, New York Giants: $28.2 million (5 years, $141 million)

It's really not close to which position the NFL values more; still, your point about Hunter's ability to play multiple positions is a fair, and good point.  If the Giants draft him, I'd prefer they use him at CB and KR. 

Quote from: kingm56 on January 14, 2025, 11:47:27 AMBob, I half agree with you; to me, a premium pass-rusher is worth more than a CB.   

king: I'm well aware that I'm in the minority on my view that CB's are the most important.

The foundation of my view is a firm belief that QB pressure is FAR more important than sacks.

If I'm wrong about it, all of my thinking on defense is wrong, because it's all based on that premise. I don't claim to know much about defense, by the way. I don't pay as much attention to it as I do to offense and other aspects of the game. But I'm standing pat because I see it every day. As a matter of fact, I'm one of those who doesn't put as much stock in the "big play" theory of pro football. I think over the long season there are lot more "small plays" that win games than big ones. If you have enough small ones you don't need any big ones, IMO.

Bob

PS. Playoffs are an entirely different story. All of the above relates solely to the regular season. I may have different "takes" on one or two aspects of the game during playoffs, but if you can't get to the playoffs, none of them matter so I don't spend a lot of time thinking too long about them.

Out of those 3.............Abdul Carter

Do people expect Graham to be as good as Aaron Donald or something along those lines? 

Without a strong feel like that I probably wouldn't select a defensive interior player with pick 3 on a team that had the worst offense in the league.

I've watched more tape and change my thoughts on player rankings.

Johnson
Carter
Hunter



Graham