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Pretty sire Milroe drops even more the further we go into the process.

Hunter has the twitch and athleticism on Johnson but he is raw and hasn't hit the ceiling that Johnson is right now imo. Plus you are having to project a lot with hunter while you actually have tape of Johnson doing it.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 15, 2025, 06:25:58 PMPretty sire Milroe drops even more the further we go into the process.

Hunter has the twitch and athleticism on Johnson but he is raw and hasn't hit the ceiling that Johnson is right now imo. Plus you are having to project a lot with hunter while you actually have tape of Johnson doing it.

I would be happy with Hunter or Carter at #3. Both are potential blue chips to go along with Dex and Nabers.  We'll need a QB, but could have a solid nucleus of players. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 15, 2025, 01:21:56 PMI listen to quite a few podcasts, and this time of year, many drafted related podcasts.   Over the years, Brugler has gained more and more respect in the draft industry and the NFL.   I only hear positive things said about him.

He does the work. No one could ever accuse him of not watching enough film. Of course, he's not right about everything (he had Evan Neal at 3 overall in 2022 I believe), but that certainly isn't the result of short cutting the process.

Was doing significant tape on Milroe today and I couldn't get one player out of my head. Milroe is Jalen Hurts with a significantly better arm, before Hurts went to Oklahoma. I don't know if many remember but he was not considered for his throwing, even being benched in the Championship game for a freshman Tua. He virtually sat out his junior year as Alabama preferred Tua before going to Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley and really learning how to run a passing offenses.

Milroe is Hurts pre Oklahoma from the tape I've seen, the problem is that you don't know if he can develop more because he didn't stay a year and go to an Oregon or Ole Miss to run a high tempo passing offense. So he has a giant question mark, no pun intended.

As much as I would love to see Hunter in blue, if we could find a taker to get us a haul in a trade that would keep us in the top six in the first and include a first rounder in next years draft.

That would set us up nicely to get a true franchise QB while we load up on other positions of need in this years draft.


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Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 15, 2025, 08:46:27 PMWas doing significant tape on Milroe today and I couldn't get one player out of my head. Milroe is Jalen Hurts with a significantly better arm, before Hurts went to Oklahoma. I don't know if many remember but he was not considered for his throwing, even being benched in the Championship game for a freshman Tua. He virtually sat out his junior year as Alabama preferred Tua before going to Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley and really learning how to run a passing offenses.

Milroe is Hurts pre Oklahoma from the tape I've seen, the problem is that you don't know if he can develop more because he didn't stay a year and go to an Oregon or Ole Miss to run a high tempo passing offense. So he has a giant question mark, no pun intended.

J: Yes. The question is how low the Giants can go and still get him. The best bargain would be third round. Right now, it seems they can trade their third and a high pick next year to move up to the mid-second round and he'll still be there. Things can and will change after the "pro days" and combine are over.  We are stukk very early in the process right now. Bob

I want the Giants to draft Mason Graham with the number 3 pick over Hunter. His motor is being comparedd favorably with Aiden Hutchinson even though Hutchinson is more of an edge guy . Teams would no longer be able to double team Dexter Lawrence with Graham next to him.

My priority in FA would be to sign DL Reed which would ease  the sentiment to draft Hunter or Johnson.

We would also have to sign a QB in FA and draft a QB in round 2 or 3 . I do not think that Schoen or Daboll are  thinking my way though because their careers with the Giants depend on getting a QB and developing him.

I can see this happening, IF they get a QB in free agency first.  If they don't, fully expect them to take a QB at 3.  Not a knock on Brugler as you can say the same about the Titans, too.  Obviously, they could feel Milroe can be a day 1 starter, but not sure they would take that risk.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on January 15, 2025, 07:01:58 PMHe does the work. No one could ever accuse him of not watching enough film. Of course, he's not right about everything (he had Evan Neal at 3 overall in 2022 I believe), but that certainly isn't the result of short cutting the process.

In the scouting business, no one bats a 1000.   I have been following Brugler for a long time.  As you said, he does the work, and he has a pretty good eye for talent.   I have noticed over the last few years he is supplementing his own scouting with what he is hearing from people in the NFL.  I think that brings added value to his reporting.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on January 15, 2025, 02:52:08 PMBrugler tweeted a few thoughts on the Giants and players the Giants might be interested in.

On Giants potential interest in Shedeur Sanders:
It's too early to say. Daboll will have a major say and he won't have a great feel until after the Combine. I'll say this, Twitter likes Sanders much more than most in the NFL.

On Travis Hunter vs Will Johnson:
I like Will Johnson, but I think there is a decent-sized gap between him and Hunter as CB prospects.

Hunter better speed and movement twitch. Johnson's combine testing is going to be important for him. Both have instinctive ball skills.

Hunter just moves differently.

Johnson is a good player and will start in the league, but Hunter is the much better CB prospect, IMO. Big difference in athletic twitch bt the two.

On Hunter's pro position:
CB with some WR snaps mixed in.

On Abdul Carter:
Carter was my No. 2 overall prospect on my first board in August and nothing much has changed. Big-time talent.

Thanks for sharing these!

I find I agree completely with some of the takes, and strongly disagree with others.

While I'm no longer on Twitter because of the dumpster fire it has become, I've always believed that the outside sentiment on Sanders has always been inflated and doesn't reflect how the NFL feels about him. So that doesn't surprise me.

But I don't agree at all that there's a "decent-sized gap" between Hunter and Johnson. I think it's reasonable for folks to think Hunter is the better CB prospect - I don't agree, but I can see that case being made. But I can't see how a case can be made that there's a sizable gap.

Johnson is a two-time All-American, defensive MVP in the national championship game (comes up big in big moments), has elite measurables, and as a sophomore put together some of the strongest tape from a CB seen in a number of years. He has missed some games due to injury, but nothing too serious.

I would be totally fine if we ended up with Hunter, but I still would take Johnson if I had my choice between the 2.

Quote from: kingm56 on January 15, 2025, 06:46:11 PMI would be happy with Hunter or Carter at #3. Both are potential blue chips to go along with Dex and Nabers.  We'll need a QB, but could have a solid nucleus of players. 

king: What about Graham? We thought Thibs might be the second coming of Strahan but he has the wrong body type and plays the "wrong" position. This guy (Graham) has it all and barring injury I'm dead sure he will shine in the NFL. Smart enough to defeat the blocks of even the very best NFL offensive linemen, IMO.  Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 16, 2025, 10:21:25 AMking: What about Graham? We thought Thibs might be the second coming of Strahan but he has the wrong body type and plays the "wrong" position. This guy (Graham) has it all and barring injury I'm dead sure he will shine in the NFL. Smart enough to defeat the blocks of even the very best NFL offensive linemen, IMO.  Bob

Bob, sorry to chime in here, but it's interesting because Graham is actually the perfect "missing piece" for this defense. But Thibs seems to have a limited ceiling. So another possibility could be to draft Carter if he does in fact have a higher ceiling and then trade Thibs for another quality DT/DE who compliments Lawrence.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on January 16, 2025, 10:38:40 AMBob, sorry to chime in here, but it's interesting because Graham is actually the perfect "missing piece" for this defense. But Thibs seems to have a limited ceiling. So another possibility could be to draft Carter if he does in fact have a higher ceiling and then trade Thibs for another quality DT/DE who compliments Lawrence.

Doc: Never be reluctant to chime in on this site (at least for my posts).

You see it exactly as I do. If there's ever going to be a "next Strahan" in my lifetime this will be Graham.

Thibodeaux has the wrong body type, plays the wrong position and IMO is a completely different type player than Straham. Graham defeats blocks, studies his OL opponents and has completely different techniques and tricks-of-the-trade in playing run versus playing pass. And he gets sacks, not just hurries!

Bob

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 15, 2025, 08:46:27 PMWas doing significant tape on Milroe today and I couldn't get one player out of my head. Milroe is Jalen Hurts with a significantly better arm, before Hurts went to Oklahoma. I don't know if many remember but he was not considered for his throwing, even being benched in the Championship game for a freshman Tua. He virtually sat out his junior year as Alabama preferred Tua before going to Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley and really learning how to run a passing offenses.

Milroe is Hurts pre Oklahoma from the tape I've seen, the problem is that you don't know if he can develop more because he didn't stay a year and go to an Oregon or Ole Miss to run a high tempo passing offense. So he has a giant question mark, no pun intended.

This is exactly as I see it.  I would be happy if they drafted Milroe in Round 2 or 3.  Right about where the Eagles got Hurts.  But, you have to have a full season, at least, with a bridge QB for him.  He should see no snaps in year 1 except for gadgets or certain packages. He needs work on footwork, progressions and trusting his arm.  Heck, if they sat for 2 years, even better.  But all the talent is there.  But lots of marinating will be needed

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 16, 2025, 10:21:25 AMking: What about Graham? We thought Thibs might be the second coming of Strahan but he has the wrong body type and plays the "wrong" position. This guy (Graham) has it all and barring injury I'm dead sure he will shine in the NFL. Smart enough to defeat the blocks of even the very best NFL offensive linemen, IMO.  Bob

Bob,

I never expected Thibs to develop into a player like Strahan. He simply doesn't possess the same strength and leverage. What made Michael Strahan unique was his ability to excel equally against both the run and the pass. He didn't rely solely on twitch, which contributed to his longevity and consistency throughout his career.

On the other hand, Thibs relies primarily on twitch and quickness, which limits his effectiveness against the run and likely shortens his potential career compared to Strahan.

To answer your question—I'm fine with Graham as well! In fact, I love our draft position. We're in a great spot to select three to four really good players who can address key needs for the team. 

I appreciate your rundown on Graham - there's NOTHING to quibble over.  Thank you, Bob!