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2024 Total Points Leaders – NFL Rookie Classes

Team   Total Points
1. Commanders   182
2. Rams   174
3. Broncos   131
4. 49ers   125
5. Buccaneers   124
6. Chargers   116
7. Bears   104
8. Giants   103
9. Texans   95
10. Steelers   89


Details on how they arrive at his here:

https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/2020/12/01/a-primer-on-total-points/

Good find. They've also got Kevin Zeitler on their first team offense. I'm still bothered they let him go. Julian Love is on their first team defense. Barkley and McKinney made their second team.

I think for about team to come out of the doldrums from which the Giants are, they need to be top 10 on this list for 3 years in a row and for one of those draft positions to be QB and the other OL.  Three years of draft success fixing QB, OL plus introducing 2-3 other good starters and building depth would give this team the lift it needs.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on January 16, 2025, 10:50:29 PMGood find. They've also got Kevin Zeitler on their first team offense. I'm still bothered they let him go.

Another Gettleman gift.

Was a cap casualty if memory serves me correctly. I can't remember what player we wasted the cap space on instead of Zeitler.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 17, 2025, 05:59:09 AMAnother Gettleman gift.

Was a cap casualty if memory serves me correctly. I can't remember what player we wasted the cap space on instead of Zeitler.

Correct. They signed Kyle Rudolph and Kenny Golladay. Neither of them did anything for the Giants and Golladay's contract was so backloaded it helped wreck the cap for the following two years. That was Gettleman's idea of cap management.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on January 16, 2025, 10:50:29 PMGood find. They've also got Kevin Zeitler on their first team offense. I'm still bothered they let him go. Julian Love is on their first team defense. Barkley and McKinney made their second team.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 17, 2025, 05:59:09 AMAnother Gettleman gift.

Was a cap casualty if memory serves me correctly. I can't remember what player we wasted the cap space on instead of Zeitler.

Similar to part of the Barkley issue, I think the Giants shed valuable veterans because our team's medical staff simply can't keep them healthy and at their peak.

Zietler in his last couple of season showed the classic sign of a veteran getting too old because his play got worse come December.  He joins another team and finds the fountain of youth

The Giants let go of an injury prone running back who lost a step.   He joins Philly (with a top medical staff) and not only does he stay healthy, he actually regains his lost speed.

As long as Ronnie Barnes is in charge of the team's medical, this team will be playing with a severe handicap.

I'm not sure I'd call Barkley injury prone.

Not counting this season, where he was clearly rested in game 17. He's missed 8 games in 4 years.

I don't think that's too bad for a RB.

Zeitler's play did decline, but he was also a cap casualty for the other moves DG made to try and make the offense functional.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 17, 2025, 08:28:03 AMI'm not sure I'd call Barkley injury prone.

Not counting this season, where he was clearly rested in game 17. He's missed 8 games in 4 years.

I don't think that's too bad for a RB.

Zeitler's play did decline, but he was also a cap casualty for the other moves DG made to try and make the offense functional.

It wasn't just the injuries with Barkley.  It was the fact that they seemed to linger and hamper his performance when he would return


Oct 22, 2023   NFL   Arm Elbow Sprain
Grade 1
-   Barkley hyperextended his left elbow in Week 7 vs. the Commanders. He didn't miss any significant time.
Sep 17, 2023   NFL   Pedal Ankle Sprain
Grade 2
3   Barkley left Week 2 vs. the Cardinals near the end of the game with an ankle injury. He returned in Week 6 vs. the Bills.
Dec 8, 2022   NFL   Cervical Neck Stinger
Grade 1
-   Barkley shared that he suffered the stinger in practice. He played through the pain in Week 14 and dodged a setback.
Oct 10, 2021   NFL   Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull
Unspecified Grade 1
1   Barkley suffered a low-ankle injury in Week 5 contest against the Dallas Cowboys.
Sep 20, 2020   NFL   Knee ACL Tear
Grade 3
14   Barkley suffered a torn ACL during the Week 2 contest at Chicago. His season was over after just two games.
Sep 20, 2020   NFL   Knee MCL Sprain
Grade 2
14   Barkley suffered an MCL strain during the Week 2 contest at Chicago.
Sep 22, 2019   NFL   Pedal Ankle Sprain
Grade 2
3   He suffered a high ankle sprain in the second quarter against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Aug 13, 2018   NFL   Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull
Unspecified Grade 1
-   Barkley was hurt in camp while running a pass route. He missed 8 days but was ready for Week 1.