Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: T200 on January 19, 2025, 10:11:17 AMThe owner for the Giants isn't going to change.

They brought in a new GM and HC. Still missing the QB and more roster upgrades.

If you take Daniels, and put him on the Giants, I think the Giants have a better overall roster than Washington. Player for player we have more talent imo, if we hit on QB, CB, and DT this offseason we are right there. Kliff Kingsbury is no wizard, he's running a version of the Veer and shoot/air raid which are college schemes to combat the cover 2.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 19, 2025, 10:54:54 AMIf you take Daniels, and put him on the Giants, I think the Giants have a better overall roster than Washington. Player for player we have more talent imo, if we hit on QB, CB, and DT this offseason we are right there. Kliff Kingsbury is no wizard, he's running a version of the Veer and shoot/air raid which are college schemes to combat the cover 2.

Jess,

I think Kingsbury has an excellent track record of getting the most out of smaller, highly mobile QBs.  He did it with Murry in AZ and now Daniels in Washington.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 19, 2025, 10:54:54 AMIf you take Daniels, and put him on the Giants, I think the Giants have a better overall roster than Washington. Player for player we have more talent imo, if we hit on QB, CB, and DT this offseason we are right there. Kliff Kingsbury is no wizard, he's running a version of the Veer and shoot/air raid which are college schemes to combat the cover 2.

Like you, I think we have very good talent at the skill positions and at minimum, an average offensive line. Another season under Bricillo and working together should bring improvements. I think they will add more competition and depth.

The offense will go as far as the QB takes them.

Get a lead and it helps the defense tremendously.

Quote from: T200 on January 19, 2025, 10:59:52 AMLike you, I think we have very good talent at the skill positions and at minimum, an average offensive line. Another season under Bricillo and working together should bring improvements. I think they will add more competition and depth.

The offense will go as far as the QB takes them.

Get a lead and it helps the defense tremendously.

It's really that simple. Good QB play trumps everything on the offense.

Sadly, there's been so many spinning narratives over the years - people shifting positions to not lose face on a message board that you're left with an over complicated situation, when a simply answer exists: Good to decent QB play will yield good results on offense.

Yes, other factors are important but good to decent QB play as a baseline (not a couple of middling weeks), is the most important element of a functioning and threatening offense.

Get that, finally, and let's see how the offense goes. My guess it will be the best we've seen in a very, very long time.

1. few injuries
2. get turnovers
3. solid OL
4.  solid DL
game set match.  given 1-3, most decent wr's, rb's and qb's will thrive

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 19, 2025, 11:06:22 AMIt's really that simple. Good QB play trumps everything on the offense.

Sadly, there's been so many spinning narratives over the years - people shifting positions to not lose face on a message board that you're left with an over complicated situation, when a simply answer exists: Good to decent QB play will yield good results on offense.

Yes, other factors are important but good to decent QB play as a baseline (not a couple of middling weeks), is the most important element of a functioning and threatening offense.

Get that, finally, and let's see how the offense goes. My guess it will be the best we've seen in a very, very long time.

Ed,

To the points I put in bold:

Imagine being so insecure that you need to mock others to pump yourself up.  Wait, we don't have to.

Also, to your commentary about good QB trumping all, have you seen the Eagles play?  They have been quite successful even when their QB is average at best because of Barkley.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 19, 2025, 11:06:22 AMIt's really that simple. Good QB play trumps everything on the offense.

Sadly, there's been so many spinning narratives over the years - people shifting positions to not lose face on a message board that you're left with an over complicated situation, when a simply answer exists: Good to decent QB play will yield good results on offense.

Yes, other factors are important but good to decent QB play as a baseline (not a couple of middling weeks), is the most important element of a functioning and threatening offense.

Get that, finally, and let's see how the offense goes. My guess it will be the best we've seen in a very, very long time.

I don't sweat the different perspectives here. They determine zilch.

The product on the field will bear out which perspectives were on point and which weren't.

I do think that the offensive line is key to QB play. Similarly, the QB is key to the ENTIRE offense performing well. We don't have to have an elite offensive line get get great QB play.

Quote from: T200 on January 19, 2025, 11:16:31 AMI don't sweat the different perspectives here. They determine zilch.

The product on the field will bear out which perspectives were on point and which weren't.

I do think that the offensive line is key to QB play. Similarly, the QB is key to the ENTIRE offense performing well. We don't have to have an elite offensive line get get great QB play.

Tim,

As an admin, why don't you encourage more civility?  While Ed weakly disguised his trolling effort, his post was hardly what we are looking for here at BBH.  We want intelligent and civil, not thinly veiled insults

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 19, 2025, 11:06:22 AMIt's really that simple. Good QB play trumps everything on the offense.

Sadly, there's been so many spinning narratives over the years - people shifting positions to not lose face on a message board that you're left with an over complicated situation, when a simply answer exists: Good to decent QB play will yield good results on offense.

Yes, other factors are important but good to decent QB play as a baseline (not a couple of middling weeks), is the most important element of a functioning and threatening offense.

Get that, finally, and let's see how the offense goes. My guess it will be the best we've seen in a very, very long time.

I find it rather amusing, Ed, that in order to explain Washington's situation, we're apparently meant to credit two head coaches who struggled in their previous roles—one of whom was fired by his prior team before the season's midpoint. The talk of "pillars" and "systems" often overcomplicates what is, at its core, a simple reality: teams with good quarterbacks tend to be competitive, and teams without them typically struggle. Football, at least in that regard, is not nearly as complicated as some make it out to be.

The best illustration of this is the notion offered in this thread about Kliff Kingsbury "maximizing" Kyler Murray. Said notion suggest Murray would regress without Kingsbury, yet his statistics this year are practically the same as they were in 2020, which many view as his peak under Kingsbury's system. If the numbers are more or less identical, it challenges the notion that Kingsbury alone drew out Murray's best. It suggests that quarterback talent—rather than any particular coach's "system"—remains the most decisive factor.  This is true for EVERY QB who lost thier coordinator, including Josh Allen when Daboll left for NY.  Yet, it doesn't stop fans from say x got the most out of y, when y consistently performs at high level after x departs. 

In short, while coaching certainly matters, the quarterback's ability matters more. Success or failure in the NFL still overwhelmingly hinges on whether a team has a highly capable quarterback taking the snaps. All the talk of failed head coaches, midseason firings, and elaborate theories about "pillars" should not distract from what history has repeatedly shown us: find a good quarterback, and you'll probably win.  As you stated, it really is that simple...

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 19, 2025, 11:19:04 AMTim,

As an admin, why don't you encourage more civility?  While Ed weakly disguised his trolling effort, his post was hardly what we are looking for here at BBH.  We want intelligent and civil, not thinly veiled insults

Pardon me?

Different perspectives is what makes this site run. You rail against groupthink but in this instance, you want me to see @EDjohnst1981 post as "trolling" and a "not thinly veiled insult". I don't.

If you'd like to replace me with someone whose thinking and perspective is more inline with your own, I'd gladly take a step back and welcome it.

Quote from: kingm56 on January 19, 2025, 11:23:31 AMI find it rather amusing,

Matt,

Are you even capable of respectfully disagreeing?

Quote from: T200 on January 19, 2025, 11:26:33 AMPardon me?

Different perspectives is what makes this site run. You rail against groupthink but in this instance, you want me to see @EDjohnst1981 post as "trolling" and a "not thinly veiled insult". I don't.

If you'd like to replace me with someone whose thinking and perspective is more inline with your own, I'd gladly take a step back and welcome it.

Tim,

Please don't insult my intelligence.  There is differing views and then there are trollish comments

QuoteSadly, there's been so many spinning narratives over the years - people shifting positions to not lose face on a message board

QuoteI find it rather amusing

Do we want a forum of intelligent, CIVIL, and RESPECTFUL conversation, or do we want a forum where people just shout out their opinions and insult those who disagree?


You have frequently called me out saying I wasn't respectful enough or civil enough.  However, when it's people who share your extreme and negative views of our forum QB, you turn a blind eye to their trolling antics

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 19, 2025, 11:31:32 AMTim,

Please don't insult my intelligence.  There is differing views and then there are trollish comments

Do we want a forum of intelligent, CIVIL, and RESPECTFUL conversation, or do we want a forum where people just shout out their opinions and insult those who disagree?


You have frequently called me out saying I wasn't respectful enough or civil enough.  However, when it's people who share your extreme and negative views of our forum QB, you turn a blind eye to their trolling antics

Cut the xxxx, Rich. Either replace me or get off my damn back.

I didn't watch the whole game. I came in late and left when Campbell ran that stupid trick play on 4th down.

I saw the player pushing and yelling at his position Coach on the sidelines.

It seemed to me that the Defensive game plan by Detroit was bad.

Taking nothing away from Daniels and the Commanders, it looked like Detroit gave this game away by being undisciplined and out coached. The Lions should win that 9/10 times.

My one reservation with Drafting Daniels was his ability not to get broken. He's done a great job avoiding injury. So far.

The Commanders deserve a lot of credit for the smooth development of Daniels and for playing well as a team. They are no longer the easy win in the Division. The Giants are. For now.

I do believe like JClay that the right QB and a few additions, and they can be a much better team. I would be surprised however at a 2025 turnaround.

Quote from: T200 on January 19, 2025, 11:32:38 AMCut the xxxx, Rich. Either replace me or get off my damn back.

So you are saying I should expect to be insulted and be subject to redicule as long as you have a say?