Big Blue Huddle

Makes me mad reading this, but everybody here has said the same thing as it pertains to the mistakes.


The Joe Schoen-Brian Daboll regime has committed a handful of mistakes that have affected the roster and possibly their future with the New York Giants organization.


 In almost three seasons since taking over the keys to the organization, the Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll partnership has brought the New York Giants from some of the highest of highs to the lowest of lows in their recent history.

That has certainly been the case in what was supposed to be the franchise's historic 100th season, one that was filled with excitement after a solid draft and offseason that appeared to address some serious holes evident in the roster from when the regime assumed it.

Unfortunately, the results haven't played out over the last several months of the season, as the Giants have skidded to being tied for the league-worst record of 2-12 with arguably the worst roster in the entire NFL, which is battered with injuries.

This is just two years after the team shocked everyone by winning nine games and a playoff berth in 2022, which now seems to have come way too early in the franchise's rebuild.

It didn't seem so disastrous at the start of the campaign, though. Schoen and the front office felt confident in their decisions over the offseason.

They let pricey players go who would have been hard to retain on new contracts to focus the strict cap money on premium positions, including the omnipresent offensive line issue and the young secondary.

Regardless of their intentions, very few of their decisions, the draft being one of them, have panned out. Instead, they have derailed the Giants roster and made it one of the most embarrassingly uncompetitive units in football.

As the awful season draws close to its conclusion, all those mistakes will be compiled to present a case to ownership as to whether they should stay the course with the Schoen-Daboll regime or bring about sweeping changes.

The latter route grows stronger as the situation becomes more intense, and the organization is being tested by the actions of a disgruntled fanbase.


https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/big-blue-plus/five-biggest-mistakes-giants-made-in-building-their-roster-01jfb6eafr9j

Quote from: brownelvis54 on February 06, 2025, 10:23:34 PMRegardless of their intentions, very few of their decisions, the draft being one of them, have panned out. Instead, they have derailed the Giants roster and made it one of the most embarrassingly uncompetitive units in football.

The old quote that goes...

"And what do they do? They end up looking like two monkeys trying to f*ck a football out there!!!"

I think that defines the Daboll & Schoen for the past 3 years.

Enough is enough.

Cut bait.

You missed out on Vrabel, but these two clowns will never get another job as HC or GM.

They're playing fantasy football not NFL football.

Gimme 2 ball boys and they'd have a better record than these 2 poor excuses for their positions and while we're at it...a owner who's NOT afraid to lay down the law and fire someone because of how he's perceived by fans & media.

As Parcells said...dumb players do dumb things. The same can be said of HC, GM, and owners as well.

From the "highest of highs" to "two monkeys screwing a football," (NOTE: a "Herbie," as in Herb Brooks), I'm literally laughing my back end off right now.

I didn't realize those two had anything at all to do with bringing four Lombardi Trophies home for Giants. At least that's what I reserve "highest of highs" for.

Now, if you referred to their predecessors in using the "Herbie," then yes, that term definitely applies. At least back in the Judge/Gettleman era, all four NFC East teams stunk along with the Giants. Since then, everyone else in the division has improved significantly EXCEPT the Giants.

We've discussed at length here the first two drafts being underwhelming, while last years was considerably better. In addition, Schoen has successfully dug the team out of its bad salary cap situation he inherited which will allow the Giants to be a player in free agency.

Finally, it is universally understood that 2025 is the critical junction for both GM and head coach. They have to grade out well both in free agency and the draft, while competing far better than they have in recent years on game day, to have any chance at a future with the Giants.

No monkeying around!

Peace!

Failed to build a very good OL.  If we had that, we'd still have Barkley so aling with Nabers would have good 1-2 threats.

This team has plenty of issues, the person who wrote this article does not seem to understand them.

Daboll and Schoen have alot of answer for, regarding the current state of the team, but this author does not seem to have a good grasp on most of them. '

Even the stuff they do whine about, either leave out, or are completely ignorant to the whole picture and omit context.

The article really doesn't follow it's own promise

Here are my 5 biggest roster mistakes

1) Veteran contract for Daniel Jones (made worse by waiving the 5th-year option)
2) Drafting Evan Neal and Josh Ezeudu
3) Trading for Darren Waller
4) Letting Barkley and McKinney walk away for nothing
5) Putting too much weight on need when drafting

There are other issues that could be added

Drafting Banks in Round One
Passing on Nix (and potentially JJ) in last year's draft
Drafting Flott

Quote from: kartanoman on February 07, 2025, 08:44:18 AMFrom the "highest of highs" to "two monkeys screwing a football," (NOTE: a "Herbie," as in Herb Brooks), I'm literally laughing my back end off right now.

I didn't realize those two had anything at all to do with bringing four Lombardi Trophies home for Giants. At least that's what I reserve "highest of highs" for.

Now, if you referred to their predecessors in using the "Herbie," then yes, that term definitely applies. At least back in the Judge/Gettleman era, all four NFC East teams stunk along with the Giants. Since then, everyone else in the division has improved significantly EXCEPT the Giants.

We've discussed at length here the first two drafts being underwhelming, while last years was considerably better. In addition, Schoen has successfully dug the team out of its bad salary cap situation he inherited which will allow the Giants to be a player in free agency.

Finally, it is universally understood that 2025 is the critical junction for both GM and head coach. They have to grade out well both in free agency and the draft, while competing far better than they have in recent years on game day, to have any chance at a future with the Giants.

No monkeying around!

Peace!

A valid point but we have the most difficult schedule in the NFL next year . Aside from playing the Commanders , Eagles and Cowboys twice, we have the Chiefs, Chargers , Broncos, Lions, Packers, Vikings , Bears and 49ers . We also have the Pats, The Saints,  and Raiders.

If we win 6 games next year , three more than this year is Mara going to say ," good job guys " here is an extension.

What in your opinion would be far better than in recent byears ? 

As there can be only one "biggest", I think the failure at QB has to be it, no matter how otherwise aided and abetted. All we have to do is look where they are and the challenge now facing them to see that clearly and unequivocally. This will be the first time since Eli started the first 4 games in 2019, six years ago, that they will begin the season without Daniel Jones as the starting QB.

Cheers!

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on February 07, 2025, 09:45:28 AMA valid point but we have the most difficult schedule in the NFL next year . Aside from playing the Commanders , Eagles and Cowboys twice, we have the Chiefs, Chargers , Broncos, Lions, Packers, Vikings , Bears and 49ers . We also have the Pats, The Saints,  and Raiders.

If we win 6 games next year , three more than this year is Mara going to say ," good job guys " here is an extension.

What in your opinion would be far better than in recent byears ? 

Hi @Brooklyn Dave  and, yes, the strength of schedule is and will continue to be a factor until the Giants put their proverbial "big boy pants" on and start beating some of those teams who finished this past year with better records than themselves.

You, as well as many here, have heard me banter, over and over that the three Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) which would define the Giants' chances for success in 2024 were:

1. Fixing the offensive line (NOTE: which they "sort of" did; however, they didn't address the depth issue and that ultimately bit them. Also, Andrew Thomas going down with another season ending foot injury accelerated the decline of the entire offense's performance and casts a shadow of doubt as to his ability to ever play at his 100% best ever again)

2. Improve the team, talent-wise, holistically, in order to compete and challenge their key division rivals (i.e. Philadelphia and Dallas). Philly completely showed they are in a class by themselves in the East by making short work of the Giants. Dallas, although decimated with injuries all season, still demonstrated their lines of both sides remain head and heels superior to the Giants and was the difference when they played. But what was not expected was seeing Washington, and their complete team overhaul, from owner down to the water boy, leapfrog not only over the Giants but the Cowboys as well. The end result is the Giants muttering to themselves in the cellar of the Eastern Division and, hence, why this thread exists.

3. Cut down on injuries which reduce not only player availability but "key play-making" player availability. Surprisingly, the Giants started off the season fairly well. However, it appeared after Andrew Thomas went down against Cincinnati, the "Domino Effect" seemed to overwhelm the team and everything went downhill from there.

So, what were supposed to be the three strategic pillars of strength for the Giants in 2024 ended up being the central factors in their ultimate downfall. But truth be told, you can look at other past seasons and see similar patterns and reach the same conclusion.

I'll take a crack at your final question and what would be better is the Giants' leaders recognize what the root cause, or at least the direct causes of their inability to move the needle in the other direction, make a conscious decision to a firm plan that will have a high probability of improving the team and organization across the board. Then, as new talent continues to positively impact results on the field, the team will gain "true" confidence and take on these other teams and begin to knock them off, here and there. Maybe one of them will come into their game with the Giants with a bad plan and they'll get their hat handed to them.

The Giants need to make a commitment to a strategy, plan and go execute that plan. If the people aren't getting the job done, then go get people who will; it's that simple; or, perhaps it isn't.

Schoen and Daboll are definitely serious now. Let's see what they end up doing and let's have this conversation next year about the monkeys; you may very well be right in the end.

Or maybe not.

Peace!

I'll add three:

Drafting Neal knowing full well he skipped the important Agility Drill at the Combine.

Purging the scouting staff of any veterans. Instead, there is a handful of entry level, inexperienced scouts.

In Hard Knocks - dissing Daniel Jones by spending so much time talking about his replacement. This sent a message to the rest of the players that management could care less about out you and your psyche.


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Quote from: brownelvis54 on February 06, 2025, 10:23:34 PMMakes me mad reading this, but everybody here has said the same thing as it pertains to the mistakes.


The Joe Schoen-Brian Daboll regime has committed a handful of mistakes that have affected the roster and possibly their future with the New York Giants organization.


 In almost three seasons since taking over the keys to the organization, the Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll partnership has brought the New York Giants from some of the highest of highs to the lowest of lows in their recent history.

That has certainly been the case in what was supposed to be the franchise's historic 100th season, one that was filled with excitement after a solid draft and offseason that appeared to address some serious holes evident in the roster from when the regime assumed it.

Unfortunately, the results haven't played out over the last several months of the season, as the Giants have skidded to being tied for the league-worst record of 2-12 with arguably the worst roster in the entire NFL, which is battered with injuries.

This is just two years after the team shocked everyone by winning nine games and a playoff berth in 2022, which now seems to have come way too early in the franchise's rebuild.

It didn't seem so disastrous at the start of the campaign, though. Schoen and the front office felt confident in their decisions over the offseason.

They let pricey players go who would have been hard to retain on new contracts to focus the strict cap money on premium positions, including the omnipresent offensive line issue and the young secondary.

Regardless of their intentions, very few of their decisions, the draft being one of them, have panned out. Instead, they have derailed the Giant's roster and made it one of the most embarrassingly uncompetitive units in football.

As the awful season draws close to its conclusion, all those mistakes will be compiled to present a case to ownership as to whether they should stay the course with the Schoen-Daboll regime or bring about sweeping changes.

The latter route grows stronger as the situation becomes more intense, and the organization is being tested by the actions of a disgruntled fanbase.


https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/big-blue-plus/five-biggest-mistakes-giants-made-in-building-their-roster-01jfb6eafr9j

Agree or not, I disagree with several of the points made here. I simply do not believe we have t he worst roster in the league. We have several key players at key positions and they are the building blocks. What we haven't had is a QB who can make this team better. Say whatever you ant, put say Daniels as our QB as would you still say we would have the worst roster?
YES our OL isn't what we would like, but when he who won't be mentioned had protection he still did absolutely nothing. Yet when that same person who I won't mention had some success in 2022, we still had a poor OL, yet people continued to blame the OL for all our woes. Sorry, put a legit QB back there and all of a sudden our roster isn't terrible.

What we need in order is an NFL QB who can make most of the throws, can read a defense, and can lead a team.
We also need much better coaching. This ahs also lost us several games, coaching alone, be it our HC our OC our DC, and several others. We are continually not prepared to play and we are continually outcoached. We need better assistants and a HC who needs to dedicate himself to coaching the entire team.

Get those things right and, as I said, we won't be 1/2 as bad as we looked last season.

Name as many "bigs" as you wish, but there can be only one "biggest" which is the superlative as in most, greatest, best, etc. Unless and until, that singularly most important position is in place and preforming successfully in a consistent manner, we should leave our zippers closed otherwise there won't be enough camembert to accompany our fine whines.

Cheers!