Wandale Robinson

[Philosophers]

I think it's worth having a discussion on Hyatt. I saw a guy who in his rookie year made some flashy catches and the fan base was thrilled to have a "weapon"....fast forward to last year, I saw a guy who when they gave him a look, he seemed to have the defender best by a couple steps and a few times he had to slow up in order to catch the ball (or attempt to catch the ball)...I also remember a lot of passes were thrown out of bounds with no chance to catch it.

I wish we knew what the issue was with Hyatt. If he's lazy, can't block, doesn't know the plays etc...I wish we knew. Our best reporters not only stink, they're wrong more often than right.

I dont think I have ever seen Hyatt drop a pass.  That means something.  He's fast, has great hands and wants to be coached. 

[DaveBrown74]

I think it's worth having a discussion on Hyatt. I saw a guy who in his rookie year made some flashy catches and the fan base was thrilled to have a "weapon"....fast forward to last year, I saw a guy who when they gave him a look, he seemed to have the defender beat by a couple steps and a few times he had to slow up in order to catch the ball (or attempt to catch the ball)...I also remember a lot of passes were thrown out of bounds with no chance to catch it.

I wish we knew what the issue was with Hyatt. If he's lazy, can't block, doesn't know the plays etc...I wish we knew. Our beat reporters not only stink, they're wrong more often than right.

I know many are high on him. And maybe they're right. In this day and age though, receivers who are any good tend to show you something by the end of year two, if not year one, and most really good ones are significant contributors as rookies now. I don't buy the argument of blaming everyone else around him like coaches and other players when we just watched Malik Nabers completely light it up with the same players around him and the same coaches.

Hyatt needs to do something noteworthy this year. If he doesn't, and people keep making up excuses for why he isn't, he'll be the Daniel Jones of receivers pretty soon.

[Trench]

I know many are high on him. And maybe they're right. In this day and age though, receivers who are any good tend to show you something by the end of year two, if not year one, and most really good ones are significant contributors as rookies now. I don't buy the argument of blaming everyone else around him like coaches and other players when we just watched Malik Nabers completely light it up with the same players around him and the same coaches.

Hyatt needs to do something noteworthy this year. If he doesn't, and people keep making up excuses for why he isn't, he'll be the Daniel Jones of receivers pretty soon.

I get it but don't you remember how exciting the fan base was in year one?...he was doing the job then went cold turkey.

Regarding Nabers, he did very well but in my mind he didn't light anything up. He showed some flashes. He also was fed the ball and opportunity. He also dropped a bunch of passes in big spots if we are being honest objective.

I'm not saying Hyatt is Nabers. He isn't. Not even close. BUT if Hyatt got the same amount of looks I think he would show something. I anticipate he will get a chance with Wilson.

[jgrangers2]

I get it but don't you remember how exciting the fan base was in year one?...he was doing the job then went cold turkey.

Regarding Nabers, he did very well but in my mind he didn't light anything up. He showed some flashes. He also was fed the ball and opportunity. He also dropped a bunch of passes in big spots if we are being honest objective.

I'm not saying Hyatt is Nabers. He isn't. Not even close. BUT if Hyatt got the same amount of looks I think he would show something. I anticipate he will get a chance with Wilson.

Not sure what you remember from 2023, but his entire game even then was that he either got a few deep looks or he was nonexistent. He had just 3 games with more than 25 yards and only had 2 catches in 2 of the 3 games. For the most part, he was a non-factor in 2023.

Outside of elite height, Malik Nabers has every skill you would want in a receiver. He's fast, can create separation, and is great after the catch. The simplest answer as to why he gets fed the ball so much is that the team trusts his route running and ability to get himself open. It's pretty clear they simply don't trust Hyatt in the same way.

Hyatt may be little more than a deep threat that the Giants were not able to take advantage of due to poor O-line and QB play. The team clearly liked him a lot given they traded up to draft him so the fact that he doesn't get many looks is probably a direct result of the knocks on him coming out of the draft were right. He's not good at creating separation for himself and doesn't run a complete route tree.

[Trench]

Not sure what you remember from 2023, but his entire game even then was that he either got a few deep looks or he was nonexistent. He had just 3 games with more than 25 yards and only had 2 catches in 2 of the 3 games. For the most part, he was a non-factor in 2023.

Outside of elite height, Malik Nabers has every skill you would want in a receiver. He's fast, can create separation, and is great after the catch. The simplest answer as to why he gets fed the ball so much is that the team trusts his route running and ability to get himself open. It's pretty clear they simply don't trust Hyatt in the same way.

Hyatt may be little more than a deep threat that the Giants were not able to take advantage of due to poor O-line and QB play. The team clearly liked him a lot given they traded up to draft him so the fact that he doesn't get many looks is probably a direct result of the knocks on him coming out of the draft were right. He's not good at creating separation for himself and doesn't run a complete route tree.

I've clearly seen him beating the defense by a few steps. In year one I remember people here saying he even had to slow down and wasn't hit in stride.

The stats don't show the whole picture. In those early games he had more looks if I remember correctly nut the balls were uncatchable out of bounds.

People on this board were super excited that I can remember

[Ed Vette]

I don't know how some of you folks make statements as facts based on snapshots. WDR actually has greater separation of 3.2 yards compared to Nabors at 2.8. They run different routes for different purposes and the read progressions are based on alignment and depth of target to the QB hitch. Nabors TAY are over nine compared to WDR who is at 4.5. WDR also has a higher catch %. Both have a positive expected YAC and Slayton is better than both, but consider the depth of the routes.


https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving#average-separation