Everything COVID-19

[MightyGiants]

The number of deaths in the United States through July 2020 is 8% to 12% higher than it would have been if the coronavirus pandemic had never happened. That

[Bob In PA]

Unless people are being resurrected, death rates measured this way can only go up.

Ron: A great point that whizzed right past me the first time.... glad I looked again.  Technically, though, people are born every day and in some countries the birth rate is higher than the death rate.  Bob

[LennG]

Interesting take on playing football in a bubble

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/infectious-disease-expert-warns-against-playing-football-in-non-bubble-pleads-for-sports-leaders-to-confront-governors/vi-BB17VJEz?ocid=msedgdhp

It does make a lot of sense.

[LennG]

Pretty interesting arguement about masks and who wears them and why

'I really don't care, do U?' How the act of refusing to wear a mask became the new symbol of American fear

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-really-don-t-care-do-u-how-the-act-of-refusing-to-wear-a-mask-became-the-new-symbol-of-american-fear/ar-BB17VLQH?ocid=msedgntp

I kind of agree with just about everything the author says and I feel he was being pretty even handed on it.

What I do feel and I don't feel this way because of Trump or my political leanings, I do feel what most science and doctors have been preaching, that wearing a mask will help defeat the virus.

Since I do feel this way, it just makes sense ot me to blame Trump for so many people not wanting to wear a mask and prolonging this virus and the many needless deaths it has caused. If Trump had bought into the theory of wearing masks to end this, once and for all, there would be no red/blue anything about wearing a mask. But, since Trump, the person, thinks he knows more than anyone else, he decided, by no one's advice but his own thoughts, that the virus was nothiong serious and it will be gone by Easter. That alone set the tone for the now red--don't wear a mask, and the blue--wear one to protect others.

IMVHO to anyone that thinks Trump has done an adequete job handeling this pandemic, they are just dead wrong.

[LennG]

The CDC issued a dire warning for the fall

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-the-cdc-issued-a-dire-warning-for-the-fall/ar-BB17UdHR?ocid=msedgdhp


top federal health official is issuing a dire warning: Follow recommended coronavirus measures or risk having the worst fall in US public health history.

For your country right now and for the war that we're in against Covid, I'm asking you to do four simple things: wear a mask, social distance, wash your hands and be smart about crowds," said Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"I'm not asking some of America to do it," he told WebMD. "We all gotta do it."

Without following the recommendations, this could be "the worst fall, from a public health perspective, we've ever had," he said.

[T200]

The CDC issued a dire warning for the fall

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-the-cdc-issued-a-dire-warning-for-the-fall/ar-BB17UdHR?ocid=msedgdhp


top federal health official is issuing a dire warning: Follow recommended coronavirus measures or risk having the worst fall in US public health history.

For your country right now and for the war that we're in against Covid, I'm asking you to do four simple things: wear a mask, social distance, wash your hands and be smart about crowds," said Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"I'm not asking some of America to do it," he told WebMD. "We all gotta do it."

Without following the recommendations, this could be "the worst fall, from a public health perspective, we've ever had," he said.

That's the wrong website, Len.

It was actually from Fox News 

Don't check it - just trust me and wear a mask! 

[MightyGiants]

Pretty interesting arguement about masks and who wears them and why

'I really don't care, do U?' How the act of refusing to wear a mask became the new symbol of American fear

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-really-don-t-care-do-u-how-the-act-of-refusing-to-wear-a-mask-became-the-new-symbol-of-american-fear/ar-BB17VLQH?ocid=msedgntp

I kind of agree with just about everything the author says and I feel he was being pretty even handed on it.

What I do feel and I don't feel this way because of Trump or my political leanings, I do feel what most science and doctors have been preaching, that wearing a mask will help defeat the virus.

Since I do feel this way, it just makes sense ot me to blame Trump for so many people not wanting to wear a mask and prolonging this virus and the many needless deaths it has caused. If Trump had bought into the theory of wearing masks to end this, once and for all, there would be no red/blue anything about wearing a mask. But, since Trump, the person, thinks he knows more than anyone else, he decided, by no one's advice but his own thoughts, that the virus was nothiong serious and it will be gone by Easter. That alone set the tone for the now red--don't wear a mask, and the blue--wear one to protect others.

IMVHO to anyone that thinks Trump has done an adequete job handeling this pandemic, they are just dead wrong.

I separate them into two groups


Good patriotic Americans who care about their nation.  Since they care about their nation they will do what it takes to protect our nation and our people

Bad self centered people-  These are the ones that often wrap themselves up in our flag but in reality hate our nation.  Their philosophy is, "ask not what I can do for my Country, as what my country can do for me"

[T200]

I separate them into two groups


Good patriotic Americans who care about their nation.  Since they care about their nation they will do what it takes to protect our nation and our people

Bad self centered people-  These are the ones that often wrap themselves up in our flag but in reality hate our nation.  Their philosophy is, "ask not what I can do for my Country, as what my country can do for me"

Rich,

I generally roll with you but it's definitive and divisive categories like this that I can't support.

It's like you're either an Eli lover or Eli hater. There's no room for anything else.

Everyone has different priorities and motivations. Just because they differ doesn't make them bad.

[MightyGiants]

Rich,

I generally roll with you but it's definitive and divisive categories like this that I can't support.

It's like you're either an Eli lover or Eli hater. There's no room for anything else.

Everyone has different priorities and motivations. Just because they differ doesn't make them bad.

Sorry, you feel this way.  Tim, I am a product of my upbringing.   I had two parents who were good people and cared about others, and both of them were volunteers (Plus, my father served in the Airforce).   They taught me right and wrong and how I should behave as a person.  I was also raised Catholic and that religious teaching was that being a good moral person required sacrifice and that you are your bother's keeper.   From that upbringing, no amount of political bull shiite is going to make me think that you are anything but a bad self-centered person when you refuse to deal with a minor inconvenience to protect the lives of family, friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens. 


That sense of duty to others and nation is what motived me to devote 35 years of my life to volunteering to help my community.  It is what motivated me to risk my life for 3 months doing Covid testing.


Sometimes in life, right and wrong are not all that complicated.  This, my friend, is one of those times.   I think it's noble of you not to want to hurt the feelings of others, but I believe it's nobler to try and not physically harm others.    I guess you could try the ignorance defense for the anti-mask people, but frankly, I consider most of those in the willful ignorance category.

I will say it again, there are issues where there is right and there is wrong and this is one of them.  Not wearing a mask is wrong and those that refuse to wear one are bad people.   Priorities or beliefs don't change that.

[T200]

Sorry, you feel this way.  Tim, I am a product of my upbringing.   I had two parents who were good people and cared about others, and both of them were volunteers (Plus, my father served in the Airforce).   They taught me right and wrong and how I should behave as a person.  I was also raised Catholic and that religious teaching was that being a good moral person required sacrifice and that you are your bother's keeper.   From that upbringing, no amount of political bull shiite is going to make me think that you are anything but a bad self-centered person when you refuse to deal with a minor inconvenience to protect the lives of family, friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens. 


That sense of duty to others and nation is what motived me to devote 35 years of my life to volunteering to help my community.  It is what motivated me to risk my life for 3 months doing Covid testing.


Sometimes in life, right and wrong are not all that complicated.  This, my friend, is one of those times.   I think it's noble of you not to want to hurt the feelings of others, but I believe it's nobler to try and not physically harm others.    I guess you could try the ignorance defense for the anti-mask people, but frankly, I consider most of those in the willful ignorance category.

I get where you're coming from when it comes to public safety and doing what's best for the communities in which we live.

I don't remember who recently used the "hammer approach" analogy but it's appropriate here. I understand you want to reach people to motivate and convince them to do what's best for the greater good. Shaming works on some people, not all. Guilt-tripping works on some, not all.

There's a difference between holding someone accountable and condemning them. No one likes to be condemned. Speech is powerful. I can't remember where I heard it but I remember this from years ago: "Use your words to influence people in such a way that if you tell them to 'go to hell' they will look forward to the trip."

[MightyGiants]

I get where you're coming from when it comes to public safety and doing what's best for the communities in which we live.

I don't remember who recently used the "hammer approach" analogy but it's appropriate here. I understand you want to reach people to motivate and convince them to do what's best for the greater good. Shaming works on some people, not all. Guilt-tripping works on some, not all.

There's a difference between holding someone accountable and condemning them. No one likes to be condemned. Speech is powerful. I can't remember where I heard it but I remember this from years ago: "Use your words to influence people in such a way that if you tell them to 'go to hell' they will look forward to the trip."

Tim,

I get what you are saying, but I am not trying to win anyone over (in fact to the best of my knowledge everyone posting on this forum says they wear a mask).    Since there is no one to "reach", I see no point in covering up or sugar-coating the cold harsh truth.

[T200]

Tim,

I get what you are saying, but I am not trying to win anyone over (in fact to the best of my knowledge everyone posting on this forum says they wear a mask).    Since there is no one to "reach", I see no point in covering up or sugar-coating the cold harsh truth.

Fair enough. 

[LennG]

Myself, and again, no political act to push, I simply do not understand the reasoning for people NOT to wear a mask except to sort of protest something. Basically everyone agrees that wearing a mask is helpful, does that not take precedence over a right not to wear one?
We, as a country, need to stand together, yet now we are divided over masks. To me this is ludicrous. What kind of statement are you making by not wearing one, that you have rights. What about my right not to inhale your germs?
Same as cigarettes, my rights as a non smoker are more important than your right to light up whenever you feel like. It's the good of the many over the right of a few that makes this country strong.

Sorry but Trump has sought to divide again, and now wearing a mask has become political when it really shouldn't.

I am old. When I go out we always wear a mask. We try to be so careful about everything. We change clothes after going out, we wash all the time. We wash off everything we buy in the market, the mail, everything. Yet, why do my rights mean nothing to some who think they are cool by not wearing a mask and then sneezing in public. Tell me how anyone can rationalize that this is a good thing and some one's rights? Why do I have to stay in, hunker down and be scared of everything because some people think THEIR rights are bing negated?

Again, if Trump has come out and advocated wearing a mask right away, had he listened to his medical people once they saw that wearing a mask helps save lives, does anyone think anyone would be out there protesting wearing one? Just the stupidity and stubbornness of one man which brought us to this situation.

[MightyGiants]

Doctors see rise in limb-threatening blood clots during COVID-19 crisis

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/doctors-see-rise-in-limb-threatening-blood-clots-during-covid-19-crisis/ar-BB180iGs?ocid=msedgdhp

[Bob In PA]

Doctors see rise in limb-threatening blood clots during COVID-19 crisis

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/doctors-see-rise-in-limb-threatening-blood-clots-during-covid-19-crisis/ar-BB180iGs?ocid=msedgdhp

Rich: It's not clear to me whether the "rise" is due to the disease itself, or a side-effect of the treatment (i.e., medicines) being given to treat the disease.  Maybe they still don't know for sure.  Bob