Cam Ward VS Shedeur Sanders VS Jaxson Dart

[Philosophers]

If it were about college production, all the BYU QBs and others would be enshrined in Canton.

If it were about arm strength JaMarcus Russell et al would be wearing yellow jackets as well.

[MightyGiants]

I think Ward slightly ahead of Sanders and Dart well behind both of them.

What do you like about each?

[MightyGiants]

Austin Abbott

@AustinAbbottFF
Jaxson Dart's Advanced Analytics:

➖11.9 Average Depth of Target
➖7.1% Big Time Throw Rate
➖10.7 Yards Per Attempt

They were ALL better than Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders

The most impressive part? Jaxson Dart accomplished this while having LESS time to throw (2.77) than them

[AYM]

Austin Abbott

@AustinAbbottFF
Jaxson Dart's Advanced Analytics:

➖11.9 Average Depth of Target
➖7.1% Big Time Throw Rate
➖10.7 Yards Per Attempt

They were ALL better than Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders

The most impressive part? Jaxson Dart accomplished this while having LESS time to throw (2.77) than them

If Dart does well at the combines, I think he goes #1.

[sxdxca38]

Austin Abbott

@AustinAbbottFF
Jaxson Dart's Advanced Analytics:

➖11.9 Average Depth of Target
➖7.1% Big Time Throw Rate
➖10.7 Yards Per Attempt

They were ALL better than Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders

The most impressive part? Jaxson Dart accomplished this while having LESS time to throw (2.77) than them

Mighty,

Is there any way to find out which QB had the toughest strength of schedule?

And which QB went up against the toughest defense?

If we could find that out, it can help in determining how they performed?

Thanks

[Philosophers]

Total college stats mean less because of the very wide disparity of talent across college teams.  A 1st round WR may be getting covered by a CB lucky to be going to graduate school.

When a QB on a good team has good weapons his stats are likely to be inflated.

Instead look at 25 different throws all over the field against his best competition with good coverage and see how those throws were and how many got completed.  This will be closer to what NFL games will be like.

[PSUBeirut]

Austin Abbott

@AustinAbbottFF
Jaxson Dart's Advanced Analytics:

➖11.9 Average Depth of Target
➖7.1% Big Time Throw Rate
➖10.7 Yards Per Attempt

They were ALL better than Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders

The most impressive part? Jaxson Dart accomplished this while having LESS time to throw (2.77) than them

How much impact does the different type of offenses factor in?  I have no idea as I've not paid attention to these guys, but stats like this in college often correlate to the system being run.

[Jclayton92]

Mighty,

Is there any way to find out which QB had the toughest strength of schedule?

And which QB went up against the toughest defense?

If we could find that out, it can help in determining how they performed?

Thanks

Dart
Strength of record 13
Strength of schedule 37

Sanders
Strength of record 30
Strength of schedule 65

Ward
Strength of record 21
Strength of schedule 56

It's not even close

[Ed Vette]

Dart
Strength of record 13
Strength of schedule 37

Sanders
Strength of record 30
Strength of schedule 65

Ward
Strength of record 21
Strength of schedule 56

It's not even close

Bam!

[sxdxca38]

Dart
Strength of record 13
Strength of schedule 37

Sanders
Strength of record 30
Strength of schedule 65

Ward
Strength of record 21
Strength of schedule 56

It's not even close

Okay thank you for this, but just to make sure I'm reading this correctly, Dart had the hardest schedule to face?

Also are there any links that show how they performed against teams with a top defense?

[Jclayton92]

Okay thank you for this, but just to make sure I'm reading this correctly, Dart had the hardest schedule to face?

Also are there any links that show how they performed against teams with a top defense?

37 hardest Schedule and 13th most impressive record given the strength of schedule.

Just look up their stats, with the context that the ACC and Big12 have a weaker conference compared to the SEC.

[MightyGiants]

Matt Waldman has good play breakdowns of Ward, Sanders, and Dart in his timeline (also Howard if you are interested)


https://x.com/MattWaldman

[Ed Vette]

The more I watch of Ward and Sanders, the more I like Dart. Not that any of these QBs are day one starters imo, but you have to decipher what translates to the next level and what does not. I think Ward is an NFL QB, but there are too many instances where he's inconsistent.

He has a very good arm and can throw with anticipation and velocity outside the numbers, even from the opposite hash. He uses the ground to draw power to his throws and has beautiful disconnect with his hips and his left leg with a nice motion. But he misses some deep throws; he also misses seeing open Receivers downfield. There are times where he gets a pre-snap read, and just goes to an intended Reeiver. When he does that he tends to drift in the pocket to that Receiver. I think there are times he sees it and makes the throw with nice anticipation, but there are times where he doesn't like it or gives up on the route too soon. I've seen him take sacks on 4th down. I've seen him with space to run for a First down, and he doesn't take it. I've seen his pass get tipped too many times.

He doesn't have the best supporting cast around him, so you have to figure that in. He gets plenty of time in the pocket that he will not get in the Pros, and he needs to process faster to the release. They did a lot of 2x2 and 3x1 variations. The O-line can't Run Block for xxxx and the RPO will need work as well as his handoff. He will be asked to run Read Option and take snaps Under Center, and I didn't see it.

If I rated Drake Maye a 9, I would rate him a 7. He's got good bones though, and with the right team and Coach, he can have a solid career. My guess is that he's not at the top of Daboll's list. A lot will get sorted out at the Combine.   

[Jclayton92]

The more I watch of Ward and Sanders, the more I like Dart. Not that any of these QBs are day one starters imo, but you have to decipher what translates to the next level and what does not. I think Ward is an NFL QB, but there are too many instances where he's inconsistent.

He has a very good arm and can throw with anticipation and velocity outside the numbers, even from the opposite hash. He uses the ground to draw power to his throws and has beautiful disconnect with his hips and his left leg with a nice motion. But he misses some deep throws; he also misses seeing open Receivers downfield. There are times where he gets a pre-snap read, and just goes to an intended Reeiver. When he does that he tends to drift in the pocket to that Receiver. I think there are times he sees it and makes the throw with nice anticipation, but there are times where he doesn't like it or gives up on the route too soon. I've seen him take sacks on 4th down. I've seen him with space to run for a First down, and he doesn't take it. I've seen his pass get tipped too many times.

He doesn't have the best supporting cast around him, so you have to figure that in. He gets plenty of time in the pocket that he will not get in the Pros, and he needs to process faster to the release. They did a lot of 2x2 and 3x1 variations. The O-line can't Run Block for xxxx and the RPO will need work as well as his handoff. He will be asked to run Read Option and take snaps Under Center, and I didn't see it.

If I rated Drake Maye a 9, I would rate him a 7. He's got good bones though, and with the right team and Coach, he can have a solid career. My guess is that he's not at the top of Daboll's list. A lot will get sorted out at the Combine.   

Could be an assumption but I always thought Daboll loved going deep early to set up the quick game and immediate with a running Qb. Out of all of these guys Dart fits that mold to a T, kid basically Raj that offense in college, huge deep shots followed by quick game to athletes in space, and when in doubt run and hurt ppl. I wish I could find cut ups of Darts runs the past two years, I think ppl would fall in love with him on his running style allow, kud doesn't give an inch.

[B1GBLUE]

I figured I would create a chart.  The traits chart was generated via AI.  Most of the stats are self-explanatory.  The PFF offense grade vs the PFF QB grade gives a sense of how much the offense helped the QB's performance.  The Big Time Throw Rate (I believe it should be better than 5%) and Turnover Worthy Plays (should be under 4%) are under pressure.  I also feel like Dart can be developed quicker and has a surer chance of developing than Cam Ward



i feel like sanders is a little over rated here. from everything i hear, his arm strength disappears over 25-30 yards. so to say he has above average arm strength and deep ball, i'm not sure i agree there. Its tricky, cause he is the most pro ready, but has the least modern era pro traits. I'm not taking any of them until the late 1st at best.