Cam Ward VS Shedeur Sanders VS Jaxson Dart

[MightyGiants]

I figured I would create a chart.  The traits chart was generated via AI.  Most of the stats are self-explanatory.  The PFF offense grade vs the PFF QB grade gives a sense of how much the offense helped the QB's performance.  The Big Time Throw Rate (I believe it should be better than 5%) and Turnover Worthy Plays (should be under 4%) are under pressure.  I also feel like Dart can be developed quicker and has a surer chance of developing than Cam Ward

[T200]

Nice comparison chart. Based on that, I'd take Sanders first.

[Jclayton92]

Nice comparison chart. Based on that, I'd take Sanders first.

All that grading though is Sanders vs Div2 aka the swac and big12 competition. Likewise with Ward, he played in the FCS at Incarnate Word for 2 years, before playing in the pac12, and then the acc. They both played powder puff teams, hell Sanders only threw for 300 yards like twice in the two years he was at Jackson St.

[T200]

All that grading though is Sanders vs Div2 aka the swac and big12 competition. Likewise with Ward, he played in the FCS at Incarnate Word for 2 years, before playing in the pac12, and then the acc. They both played powder puff teams, hell Sanders only threw for 300 yards like twice in the two years he was at Jackson St.

Do you think he'd struggle in the NFL or is his confidence something that will propel him to be a good/great QB?

[Jclayton92]

Do you think he'd struggle in the NFL or is his confidence something that will propel him to be a good/great QB?

Sanders?

[T200]

Sanders?

Yes

[Jclayton92]

Found this post from the NFL Draft guys on reddit and sums up Dart pretty well.

r/NFL_Draft

QB Stats and Metrics Post CFP Semis and Bowl Games. Put some Respect on Jaxson Dart
I've been pretty vocal about how I think Jaxson Dart is a severely helmet scouted prospect. Assuming Allar stays in school, Dart is the youngest QB in the class, while still having 3 years of starting experience in the SEC. He's improved every year and has been putting up class leading numbers this year despite playing without his number 1 receiver in Tre Harris for much of it. Dart has a strong arm, and he's been one of the best playmakers in all of CFB, even without his best receiver. Hes been a force multiplier: example being his #3 receiver on Ole Miss having 250 yards and 5 TDs vs Arkansas. Not only has he overcome the loss of Tre Harris, Ole Miss lost their starting running back and Dart has led the team in rushing yards several weeks. Dart is a very toolsy prospect with the same level of physical traits as JJ McCarthy last year, but hes built better. A big difference between those two is that Dart has had to be the guy and carry the Ole Miss offense every week and couldn't rely on a strong run game. Dart isn't just a deep throw go merchant; hes completing the highest percentage of passes in the intermediate 10-20 yard range and hes been the best at attacking the middle of the field. Even with by far the highest target distance in the class, Dart has completed a strong 69% of his passes. Hes got a really nice release as well with arm talent to match. In addition to playing without a starting WR or RB for much of the year, the Ole Miss O-line has been average at best. Despite this, Dart has the lowest QB allowed pressure rate in the class. Jaxson Dart is a round 1 talent, with a round 1 skillset, and round 1 production.

Jaxson Dart Key Metric Ranks in this Class:

Total Yards Per Game: 1st

Pass Yards Per Game: 2nd

Rush Yards Per Game: 2nd

Passer Rating: 1st

PFF Pass Grade: 1st

TD to INT: 2nd

Interception % of attempts: 1st (lowest)

Average Target Distance: 1st

Big Time throws Per Game (Difficult Tight Window/Deep Passes): 1st

Big time Throw vs Turnover Worthy Play Differential: 1st (highest)

Turnover Worthy Play Rate: 3rd

Time To Throw: 4th

Yards Per Attempt: 1st

QB Allowed Pressure Rate: 1st (lowest)

Pressure to Sack: 5th

Age: 1st (Youngest)

Intermediate Completion %: 1st

Middle Field Completion %: 1st

Link with the tables for the other qbs
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/comments/1hslvuo/qb_stats_and_metrics_post_cfp_semis_and_bowl/

His average distance of throw was 13 yards, his big time throw % is 3% higher than any other qb. His deep game is excellent, he threw 5-6% more often deep than ward or Sanders, and not to be out done his Intermediate Completion % was 3%  higher than Ward, and 6% on Intermediate throws in the SEC. Sanders gets hype because he's accurate, well Dart is just as accurate in the SEC. Ward gets hype for his off platform throws, and running ability but Dart is better off platform and running. Take the two things that people really like about Ward and Sanders, but Dart does that in the SEC.

Add on from the NFL Draft guys on reddit towards the end of the season:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/1gx6zel/jaxson_dart_mr_helmet_scouted/

"Jaxson Dart has one the clearest Rd1 resumes at this point in the season, and it feels like the main weakness everyone has for him is the offense he operates, and he operates it very well may I add. Lane Kiffin has been in CFB ~20 years now and Dart is on track to have the best QB season ever in one of his offenses. The helmet scouting is next level, due to the failure of Matt Corral. Why aren't Allar and Beck criticized the same way due to where they play, since theres been quite a few QB busts from their schools. Is everyone watching Shedeur/Ewers/Beck? Their offenses are just as schemed up. Caleb Williams went #1 last year and his offense was extremely schemed up. But my main point is to look beyond the scheme a player operates in, especially if they're executing very well. People criticized Jayden Daniels for being a slot fade and go route merchant last year and hes having a good rookie season. What about Bo Nix, the Oregon scheme merchant? Hes probably having the best rookie QB season. What about the best QB in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes. But he went to Texas Tech, hes just a gimmick right? C'mon guys, lets do better!"

The Ole miss offense is very play action heavy and may have simplified reads, but its a demanding offense and asks for a lot from the QB position. Heres some facts that back that up:

-Dart has the lowest screen pass %, while Shedeur and Beck throw screens at twice the rate. Ewers is at just about double his rate too.

-Dart has the highest target distance in the class, yet he has an elite completion rate of 71%.(2nd in my top 5), while Shedeur is at #1 among my top 5 QBs, with an ADOT 4 yards less.

-Dart is having the best success passing into the intermediate area of the field. Almost 10% points better than the average in the class. Hes been really elite there.

-Dart does a fair amount of designed QB runs in the offense and he's currently #3 in the class in rushing yards, potentially #2 if Klubnik goes back to school.

"Jaxon Dart doesn't show up in Big Games": He averages 313 yards, 64% completion, 2 TDs, and .5 INT.

[gregf]

Found this post from the NFL Draft guys on reddit and sums up Dart pretty well.

r/NFL_Draft

QB Stats and Metrics Post CFP Semis and Bowl Games. Put some Respect on Jaxson Dart
I've been pretty vocal about how I think Jaxson Dart is a severely helmet scouted prospect. Assuming Allar stays in school, Dart is the youngest QB in the class, while still having 3 years of starting experience in the SEC. He's improved every year and has been putting up class leading numbers this year despite playing without his number 1 receiver in Tre Harris for much of it. Dart has a strong arm, and he's been one of the best playmakers in all of CFB, even without his best receiver. Hes been a force multiplier: example being his #3 receiver on Ole Miss having 250 yards and 5 TDs vs Arkansas. Not only has he overcome the loss of Tre Harris, Ole Miss lost their starting running back and Dart has led the team in rushing yards several weeks. Dart is a very toolsy prospect with the same level of physical traits as JJ McCarthy last year, but hes built better. A big difference between those two is that Dart has had to be the guy and carry the Ole Miss offense every week and couldn't rely on a strong run game. Dart isn't just a deep throw go merchant; hes completing the highest percentage of passes in the intermediate 10-20 yard range and hes been the best at attacking the middle of the field. Even with by far the highest target distance in the class, Dart has completed a strong 69% of his passes. Hes got a really nice release as well with arm talent to match. In addition to playing without a starting WR or RB for much of the year, the Ole Miss O-line has been average at best. Despite this, Dart has the lowest QB allowed pressure rate in the class. Jaxson Dart is a round 1 talent, with a round 1 skillset, and round 1 production.

Jaxson Dart Key Metric Ranks in this Class:

Total Yards Per Game: 1st

Pass Yards Per Game: 2nd

Rush Yards Per Game: 2nd

Passer Rating: 1st

PFF Pass Grade: 1st

TD to INT: 2nd

Interception % of attempts: 1st (lowest)

Average Target Distance: 1st

Big Time throws Per Game (Difficult Tight Window/Deep Passes): 1st

Big time Throw vs Turnover Worthy Play Differential: 1st (highest)

Turnover Worthy Play Rate: 3rd

Time To Throw: 4th

Yards Per Attempt: 1st

QB Allowed Pressure Rate: 1st (lowest)

Pressure to Sack: 5th

Age: 1st (Youngest)

Intermediate Completion %: 1st

Middle Field Completion %: 1st

Link with the tables for the other qbs
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/comments/1hslvuo/qb_stats_and_metrics_post_cfp_semis_and_bowl/

His average distance of throw was 13 yards, his big time throw % is 3% higher than any other qb. His deep game is excellent, he threw 5-6% more often deep than ward or Sanders, and not to be out done his Intermediate Completion % was 3%  higher than Ward, and 6% on Intermediate throws in the SEC. Sanders gets hype because he's accurate, well Dart is just as accurate in the SEC. Ward gets hype for his off platform throws, and running ability but Dart is better off platform and running. Take the two things that people really like about Ward and Sanders, but Dart does that in the SEC.

Add on from the NFL Draft guys on reddit towards the end of the season:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/1gx6zel/jaxson_dart_mr_helmet_scouted/

"Jaxson Dart has one the clearest Rd1 resumes at this point in the season, and it feels like the main weakness everyone has for him is the offense he operates, and he operates it very well may I add. Lane Kiffin has been in CFB ~20 years now and Dart is on track to have the best QB season ever in one of his offenses. The helmet scouting is next level, due to the failure of Matt Corral. Why aren't Allar and Beck criticized the same way due to where they play, since theres been quite a few QB busts from their schools. Is everyone watching Shedeur/Ewers/Beck? Their offenses are just as schemed up. Caleb Williams went #1 last year and his offense was extremely schemed up. But my main point is to look beyond the scheme a player operates in, especially if they're executing very well. People criticized Jayden Daniels for being a slot fade and go route merchant last year and hes having a good rookie season. What about Bo Nix, the Oregon scheme merchant? Hes probably having the best rookie QB season. What about the best QB in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes. But he went to Texas Tech, hes just a gimmick right? C'mon guys, lets do better!"

The Ole miss offense is very play action heavy and may have simplified reads, but its a demanding offense and asks for a lot from the QB position. Heres some facts that back that up:

-Dart has the lowest screen pass %, while Shedeur and Beck throw screens at twice the rate. Ewers is at just about double his rate too.

-Dart has the highest target distance in the class, yet he has an elite completion rate of 71%.(2nd in my top 5), while Shedeur is at #1 among my top 5 QBs, with an ADOT 4 yards less.

-Dart is having the best success passing into the intermediate area of the field. Almost 10% points better than the average in the class. Hes been really elite there.

-Dart does a fair amount of designed QB runs in the offense and he's currently #3 in the class in rushing yards, potentially #2 if Klubnik goes back to school.

"Jaxon Dart doesn't show up in Big Games": He averages 313 yards, 64% completion, 2 TDs, and .5 INT.

J, you've put up some great stuff promoting Dart. Yet you've also said the qbs are not top 3 worthy. It seems like a hard target to hit if Dart goes 10 to 15.   What do you think the Giants should do if they want him?   I think the Bears paid dearly when they moved up to 11 for Fields, that's steep to give up a future first round pick I can see us moving into the 20s and hoping he's still there.  Thoughts?

[Jclayton92]

J, you've put up some great stuff promoting Dart. Yet you've also said the qbs are not top 3 worthy. It seems like a hard target to hit if Dart goes 10 to 15.   What do you think the Giants should do if they want him?   I think the Bears paid dearly when they moved up to 11 for Fields, that's steep to give up a future first round pick I can see us moving into the 20s and hoping he's still there.  Thoughts?

Ideal scenario currently.
Sanders or Ward make it to 3 and the Raiders with a new Hc want to get their guy. We give them pick 3 and 107 so they can take Sanders and in return we get 6, 37, 68. Our two picks are a value of 2280 and they'd be giving up 2380 on the trade chart. Which seems reasonable as most have to pay a kings ransom. We have an extra 4th from Mckinney leaving, so if that happens then I would be on board taking Dart at 6 in that case knowing we have multiple picks at the top of the 2nd and 3rd to fill out the roster. Ontop of that the extra 2nd and 3rd negate some of the risk in taking Dart that some might have because you have the extra high picks.

I much prefer that, than us taking someone at 3, and then having to give up assets to hop back into the 1st rd. Because I think when the dust settles, Dart may be QB2 or at the very least a top 10-12 pick. So then us getting him with a trade back and multiple day 2 picks makes me over the moon, because the Dline, Oline, and CB depth is nice in this draft with some really good players being available at the top of the 2nd and 3rd. We could really have the makings of a team at that point.

[Jclayton92]

Chip Kelly just took the OC gig in Las Vegas.

[Philosophers]

GPA in a real major does not correlate perfectly with an ability to process NFL defenses at lightning speed, however if I have to choose whether I want to take a chance on a high vs low GPA candidate I side with the high.  Dart checks that box in my mind.

[Bob In PA]

All that grading though is Sanders vs Div2 aka the swac and big12 competition. Likewise with Ward, he played in the FCS at Incarnate Word for 2 years, before playing in the pac12, and then the acc. They both played powder puff teams, hell Sanders only threw for 300 yards like twice in the two years he was at Jackson St.

J: This is important. He never played consistently good competition. Worse, he didn't dominate against the 2nd-level teams of his conference. I'd rather take a guaranteed elite player at Pick Three. At QB, assuming they aren't happy with whatever free-agent they sign, maybe they'll like McCord and take him. He qualifies as a local kid, and they like local kids. Bob

[Dumpster Dan]

Ideal scenario currently.
Sanders or Ward make it to 3 and the Raiders with a new Hc want to get their guy. We give them pick 3 and 107 so they can take Sanders and in return we get 6, 37, 68. Our two picks are a value of 2280 and they'd be giving up 2380 on the trade chart. Which seems reasonable as most have to pay a kings ransom. We have an extra 4th from Mckinney leaving, so if that happens then I would be on board taking Dart at 6 in that case knowing we have multiple picks at the top of the 2nd and 3rd to fill out the roster. Ontop of that the extra 2nd and 3rd negate some of the risk in taking Dart that some might have because you have the extra high picks.


I much prefer that, than us taking someone at 3, and then having to give up assets to hop back into the 1st rd. Because I think when the dust settles, Dart may be QB2 or at the very least a top 10-12 pick. So then us getting him with a trade back and multiple day 2 picks makes me over the moon, because the Dline, Oline, and CB depth is nice in this draft with some really good players being available at the top of the 2nd and 3rd. We could really have the makings of a team at that point.

J

If the Raiders really do want their guy  you would not want #1 or#2  in 2026  from them in addition to what you propose?  You did say that teams would have to pay a kings ransom??


Dumpster Dan

[Dumpster Dan]

Maybe I read it wrong--its the Raiders who have #107   so are you saying the Giants would get 37, 68 & 107??


Dumpster Dan

[MightyGiants]

Here are the charts from the link @Jclayton92 provided