Cam Ward VS Shedeur Sanders VS Jaxson Dart

[MightyGiants]

Dan Schneier
@DanSchneierNFL
The more Cam Ward tape I find myself watching, the more I am becoming a Cam Ward guy.
It's not all perfect, but the highs are "NFL" highs. And that's what I have always looked for seeing as QB evaluations are a PROJECTION as to how they'll make the jump to the speed of the NFL game.
In other words, I'm setting myself up for disappointment as the Giants blew the 1st pick overall & two teams ahead of them have no QB.
11:57 AM · Feb 6, 2025
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[Jclayton92]

https://x.com/AustinAbbottFF/status/1885526848299274574

[Jclayton92]

https://x.com/DraftAnalyst365/status/1886198492747481118

[Jclayton92]

From what I am hearing, the Giants contingent spent a nice amount of time with Dart at the senior bowl. They waited on him as he was the last player to leave the field, he stayed and signed every autograph for kids at the event.

That scouts and Gms fully expect him now to go at the latest 18 to Seattle but expect one of the Raiders(6), Jets(7), or Saints(9)

[Ed Vette]

Dan Schneier
@DanSchneierNFL
Cut up the best Cam Ward throws/plays vs. VT
Some projectable traits on display:
1. Seamless ability to change the TEMPO of his throws (not everything is the same speed & trajectory)
2. Improvision. Multiple times you'll see the play side route combo foiled & Ward finding a solution.
3. Creativity with his EYES when forced to break the pocket. So many EXs of him finding solutions on the move.
4. The release. Man, this should've been 1, but it's apparent on every game I've watched. Effortless release. Quick & efficient.
5. ++Ball placement on throws down the field.
6. (I like this one a lot) Velocity doesn't seem to be impacted when off platform/not throwing from a balanced base.

https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1887503262397702165

From my perspective at this time, the Giants will likely be looking hard at Cam Ward and Jaxton Dart from where they are drafting at the 3 slot. Both would be good fits and imo both will have solid NFL careers. I was watching a game review last night of the Miami-Cuse game, and it's funny how reviewing the film gives you a different interpretation from watching the game. Both QBs were solid. In fact, Miami should have won that game if not for some bad Official's calls on their final drives where they had to settle for a FG and never got the ball back. Bad decision by the HC when you have Cam Ward with the ball. Ward will need to be corrected for his sloppy feet in his drop, but his anticipation and how he reads the field and his progressions both pre and post snap are a beautiful thing. Once he becomes more consistent in setting his base, he will only get better. What was eye opening were the plays where the pass protection broke down, and he immediately jumped to his second read because he instinctively knew the timing was going to be off. It's so easy to see him working through his progressions as you watch his feet hitch quickly and without hesitation. In retrospect, the occasional open receiver was the 4th read and time ran out to get the pass off. Another thing that impressed me was how he read the BOX on a pass play and saw it was 5 on 5, so he changed it from PRO to RPO and it went for a nice gain. Stuff that's light years ahead of QBs at his level. My one hesitation was the competition he faced, but to me he clearly translates to the next level. I also see him composed enough to play in NY.   

[andrew_nyGiants]

You have to remember the Raiders would be only moving 3 spots. I can't remember what the patriots were asking for last year, but you want it reasonable enough so they bite, and you get the extra capital.

Well we moved up only 3 spots to get Eli from the Chargers 

[MightyGiants]

NFL Rookie Watch
@NFLRookieWatxh
Jaxson Dart recently said he "does not want to sit" as a rookie QB in the NFL.

Dart reportedly wants to be a "QB1" from the start of the season.

Eli Manning (HOF Giants QB) reportedly "loves" Dart as a prospect and would like to see the Giants land him.

Andrew Berry (Browns GM) is reportedly also a "huge fan" of Dart's game and could target him early.

The Giants and Browns may be competing for Ole Miss's next ELITE QB talent 👀

https://x.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1887556914881724868

[katkavage]

From what I am hearing, the Giants contingent spent a nice amount of time with Dart at the senior bowl. They waited on him as he was the last player to leave the field, he stayed and signed every autograph for kids at the event.

That scouts and Gms fully expect him now to go at the latest 18 to Seattle but expect one of the Raiders(6), Jets(7), or Saints(9)

The Giants spent a boat load of time with JJ McCarthy last year. Means nothing.

[Jclayton92]

The Giants spent a boat load of time with JJ McCarthy last year. Means nothing.

I'm aware, was just letting everyone know just like we did when they met with Sanders a bunch earlier.

[kingm56]

The Giants spent a boat load of time with JJ McCarthy last year. Means nothing.

It's the lying season where teams try to hide their true intentions.  I take every report with a grain of salt 

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/DNVR_Buffs/status/1887603005165609356

[Jclayton92]

From my perspective at this time, the Giants will likely be looking hard at Cam Ward and Jaxton Dart from where they are drafting at the 3 slot. Both would be good fits and imo both will have solid NFL careers. I was watching a game review last night of the Miami-Cuse game, and it's funny how reviewing the film gives you a different interpretation from watching the game. Both QBs were solid. In fact, Miami should have won that game if not for some bad Official's calls on their final drives where they had to settle for a FG and never got the ball back. Bad decision by the HC when you have Cam Ward with the ball. Ward will need to be corrected for his sloppy feet in his drop, but his anticipation and how he reads the field and his progressions both pre and post snap are a beautiful thing. Once he becomes more consistent in setting his base, he will only get better. What was eye opening were the plays where the pass protection broke down, and he immediately jumped to his second read because he instinctively knew the timing was going to be off. It's so easy to see him working through his progressions as you watch his feet hitch quickly and without hesitation. In retrospect, the occasional open receiver was the 4th read and time ran out to get the pass off. Another thing that impressed me was how he read the BOX on a pass play and saw it was 5 on 5, so he changed it from PRO to RPO and it went for a nice gain. Stuff that's light years ahead of QBs at his level. My one hesitation was the competition he faced, but to me he clearly translates to the next level. I also see him composed enough to play in NY.   

Watching Wards tape a few things are perplexing to me. A) how they were so behind against bad teams late like VA tech and California. B) How is it that Ward couldn't get Elijah Arroyo more involved, he averaged like 17 yards a catch. A few other things are just off for some reason, I don't know if it's the play calling or what.

[Jclayton92]

Was watching more sheddur tape and while his accuracy is elite, his pocket awareness and mobility navigating the pocket is nonexistent. He has zero spatial awareness or feel for the rush, and holds the ball entirely too long.

[MightyGiants]

Was watching more sheddur tape and while his accuracy is elite, his pocket awareness and mobility navigating the pocket is nonexistent. He has zero spatial awareness or feel for the rush, and holds the ball entirely too long.

Both Sanders and Ward (more so Sanders) have a bad habit of moving backward rather than up or to the side

[Ed Vette]

Was watching more sheddur tape and while his accuracy is elite, his pocket awareness and mobility navigating the pocket is nonexistent. He has zero spatial awareness or feel for the rush, and holds the ball entirely too long.

He's trying to find an open receiver, but I get the point and agree, at the next level he has to hit his check-down or get rid of the ball. But it depends on so many factors.

Time To Throw All
McCord- 2.40
Beck- 2.53
Howard- 2.65
Nussmeier- 2.59
Gabriel- 2.74
Dart- 2.80
Milroe- 2.85
Allar- 2.91
Ward- 2.9
Sanders- 2.97

NFL TTT
Tua- 2.31
Cousins- 2.56
Stafford- 2.62
DJ- 2.74
Mayfield- 2.78
Mahomes- 2.79
Allen- 2.86
Daniels- 2.95
Nix- 2.98
Darnold- 3.08
Jackson- 3.23

Obviously, mobile QBs will hold the ball longer and a low TTT could indicate shorter connections on the first two reads or check-down. Daniels and Nix's NFL Time to Sack is over 4 seconds. See what you can make of this:

Time to Sack-
Stafford- 3.11
McCord- 3.38
Tua- 3.48
DJ- 3.58
Darnold- 3.60
Ward- 3.61
Dart- 2.80
Jackson- 3.82
Daniels- 4.03
Sanders- 4.11

So, yeah... Sanders hold on too long.