Cam Ward VS Shedeur Sanders VS Jaxson Dart

[MightyGiants]

Here in the NFL.com scouting reports from Lance Zerlien

Cam Ward

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/cam-ward/32005741-5206-5305-364b-76c1f988f45e

Shededur Sanders

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/shedeur-sanders/32005341-4e47-8221-56fd-8e3864421298

Jaxson Dart

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jaxson-dart/32004441-5273-5504-d6f2-f2d3f25131e8

[Dumpster Dan]

Ideal scenario currently.
Sanders or Ward make it to 3 and the Raiders with a new Hc want to get their guy. We give them pick 3 and 107 so they can take Sanders and in return we get 6, 37, 68. Our two picks are a value of 2280 and they'd be giving up 2380 on the trade chart. Which seems reasonable as most have to pay a kings ransom. We have an extra 4th from Mckinney leaving, so if that happens then I would be on board taking Dart at 6 in that case knowing we have multiple picks at the top of the 2nd and 3rd to fill out the roster. Ontop of that the extra 2nd and 3rd negate some of the risk in taking Dart that some might have because you have the extra high picks.


I much prefer that, than us taking someone at 3, and then having to give up assets to hop back into the 1st rd. Because I think when the dust settles, Dart may be QB2 or at the very least a top 10-12 pick. So then us getting him with a trade back and multiple day 2 picks makes me over the moon, because the Dline, Oline, and CB depth is nice in this draft with some really good players being available at the top of the 2nd and 3rd. We could really have the makings of a team at that point.

Jess


I really dont think you are getting enough in return  for $3


Dumpster Dan

[Painter]

Jess's proposition seems reasonable to me given the sudden elevating interest in Jaxson Dart. In any case, taking him anywhere in Round 1 would add a potential 5th year to his contract if it's as important as it seems to have become.

Cheers!

[Dumpster Dan]

Agree Painter that his proposition is reasonable---on the other hand my thinking is that when a team is trading into the top 3 and their goal is a QB, they always overpay, hence my stance that he is not getting enough

Dumpster Dan

[MightyGiants]

ESPN's Jordan Reid has a breakout on QBs:



1. Cam Ward, Miami
Height: 6-foot-2 | Weight: 223 pounds
Class: Senior | Projected range: Round 1

Where he excels: Recent years have seen transfer QBs make significant leaps in their development with new schools and fly up draft boards. Recent examples are Joe Burrow and Jayden Daniels, who turned Heisman Trophy-winning seasons at LSU into top-two selections. Ward, who has moved from Incarnate Word to Washington State to Miami over five seasons, is that candidate in the 2025 class.

Ward threw for 4,313 yards, an FBS-high 39 touchdown passes and seven interceptions this season. He is an electrifying playmaker who led Miami to a 10-3 record, its best mark since 2017. He can throw from multiple arm slots and generate velocity with ease no matter the positioning of his body, like a shortstop maneuvering the infield. His 88.7 Total QBR ranked second in the country, and his 29 completions of 20-plus air yards tied for fifth.

What is most impressive is Ward's poise and calm demeanor. He was his best in the biggest moments of the season, especially in fourth quarters. His 93.3 QBR in the fourth quarter ranked third in the country, and he orchestrated comeback wins against Virginia Tech and Cal, which included 238 fourth-quarter passing yards against the Golden Bears.

Where he needs work: What hurt Ward during his two seasons at Washington State in 2022-23 were moments when he tried to do too much.

"He has times where he has to scratch his itch for reckless plays, and it leaves you asking, 'What the heck was he thinking there?'" an AFC area scout said. "I like him and don't know if that can be coached out of him."

Ward is a work in progress when it comes to controlling careless plays and head-scratching decisions outside of structure that lead to turnovers, with his pick-six against Cal being a prime example. He also had spurts of inaccuracy against Georgia Tech, helping contribute to Miami's first loss of the season.

Scouts want to see Ward get the ball out quicker, too. His 2.91-second average time before pass ranked 100th in the FBS. He has a habit of looking off open options in the short to intermediate areas of progressions to search for explosive plays.


2. Shedeur Sanders, Colorado
Height: 6-foot-2 | Weight: 215 pounds
Class: Senior | Projected range: Round 1

Where he excels: When protected in the pocket, Sanders' rhythm, calm demeanor and accuracy are among the best in the country. He shows great ball location in the short and underneath areas.

Sanders had 4,134 passing yards, 37 touchdowns and 10 interceptions this season. Despite facing pressure on 40.3% of his dropbacks (15th highest in the FBS), he ranked first in completion percentage (74%). His poise and ball placement improved throughout the season. Sanders' 6.5% off-target rate was the third-lowest mark in the FBS, as he allows his receivers to easily get yards after the catch.

"He's been the best of the bunch to me, and I've been impressed by his growth this year," an assistant GM from an NFC team said. "The on-field demeanor has been contagious so far, and the results have shown on that team this year."

Sanders' 11 go-ahead touchdown passes were tied for the second most in the country. As the moments heighten, his heartbeat remains the same. And it's that unwavering confidence that most excites scouts.

Where he needs work: The consensus from evaluators is Sanders must get the ball out quicker. He averaged 2.96 seconds before throwing this season, which tied for 110th in the FBS. And while plenty of blame can be put on his inconsistent protection, he needs to trust his expiring internal clock and distribute. He tends to drift backward or search for escape lanes out the side of the pocket.

Sanders also needs to cut down on taking avoidable sacks and compounding mistakes; his 7.5% sack-per-dropback rate tied for 23rd highest in the country, and the 42 sacks he took were the most in the FBS. It was the second straight season Sanders led the FBS in that category, as he took 52 in 2023. Under offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur, Colorado's passing attack has evolved into more of an underneath scheme, as Sanders averaged only 7.4 air yards per attempt (103rd in the FBS).


Sanders attended the East-West Shrine Game but did not participate in practices. Multiple sources mentioned how well he interviewed there. They said he came across as genuine and open, and they all praised his understanding of the game.


3. Jaxson Dart, Ole Miss
Height: 6-foot-2 | Weight: 225 pounds
Class: Senior | Projected range: Mid-to-late Day 2

Where he excels: Dart began his college career at USC in 2021 before transferring to Ole Miss, where he started the past three seasons in Lane Kiffin's up-tempo offense. He threw for 4,279 yards, 29 touchdowns and six interceptions this season, and his completion percentage was 69.3%, the fourth straight season he has improved.

Dart is a fluid thrower with the arm strength to attack all parts of the field and stretch the ball vertically, as his 11.1 air yards per attempt ranked fifth in the FBS. He also can get the ball out quickly with perimeter passes and couples that touch with his arm strength; his 80.9% catchable ball rate ranked 10th.


Where he needs work: Scouts have concerns about how much Kiffin's offense prepares quarterbacks for the NFL. Kiffin knows how to scheme receivers open, with 34.2% of Dart's passes this season being labeled as wide-open attempts (11th in the FBS).

"Passers in that offense are always hard to project because everything's so open," an area scout for an NFC team said. "I think he has a nice arm, but there's hardly any progressions, and Lane's scheming guys open so well."

How quickly can he adapt to performing multistep progressions? That's the question scouts wanted to see Dart answer at the Senior Bowl. He became more comfortable with the verbiage in the huddle and footwork on dropbacks after taking snaps under center. Dart's continued development will hinge on those factors, as he wasn't asked to huddle, relay plays or frequently go through multiple options on passing concepts at Ole Miss.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/insider/story/_/id/41736211/ranking-top-2025-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-hot-board-team-fits

[Jclayton92]

Here are the charts from the link @Jclayton92 provided

Thanks I couldn't move them over lol or didn't know how to. I can't even get the prospects names before their scouting report in the pinned message to be in bold.

[Jclayton92]

Maybe I read it wrong--its the Raiders who have #107   so are you saying the Giants would get 37, 68 & 107??


Dumpster Dan

I meant 104, or whichever is our first pick in the 4th. We give up our 1st and 4th for their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

[Jclayton92]

J

If the Raiders really do want their guy  you would not want #1 or#2  in 2026  from them in addition to what you propose?  You did say that teams would have to pay a kings ransom??


Dumpster Dan

I don't think they'd give up assets in 2026 and Daboll and schoen are in win now mode so getting capital in this draft that helps them this year's seems more realistic than them stocking the cupboard for someone else.

[Jclayton92]

Jess


I really dont think you are getting enough in return  for $3


Dumpster Dan

You have to remember the Raiders would be only moving 3 spots. I can't remember what the patriots were asking for last year, but you want it reasonable enough so they bite, and you get the extra capital.

[Philosophers]

One great way to eval QBs is when they have a horrible game such 52% completion, 3 INTs, etc., what is their next performance like?  Do their mechanics remain sound?  Do they become gun shy instead of remaining confident?  How do their teammates react?

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1887180519118373300

https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1887186507414331784

[MightyGiants]

when I finish reading an article like this one, I am baffled as to why Dart isn't considered a top QB prospect, especially this year


https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/could-jaxson-dart-really-become-lane-kiffins-first-1st-round-quarterback/

[Jclayton92]

when I finish reading an article like this one, I am baffled as to why Dart isn't considered a top QB prospect, especially this year


https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/could-jaxson-dart-really-become-lane-kiffins-first-1st-round-quarterback/

After the combine and pro day he'll shoot up to that 7-12 range in the 1st and everyone will act like they've been in on him even if they weren't.

[Fast Eddie Felson]

when I finish reading an article like this one, I am baffled as to why Dart isn't considered a top QB prospect, especially this year


https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/could-jaxson-dart-really-become-lane-kiffins-first-1st-round-quarterback/

Let him stay under everyone's radar. Everyone seems to forget that he`s only 21 years old.

[MightyGiants]

Dan Schneier
@DanSchneierNFL
Cut up the best Cam Ward throws/plays vs. VT
Some projectable traits on display:
1. Seamless ability to change the TEMPO of his throws (not everything is the same speed & trajectory)
2. Improvision. Multiple times you'll see the play side route combo foiled & Ward finding a solution.
3. Creativity with his EYES when forced to break the pocket. So many EXs of him finding solutions on the move.
4. The release. Man, this should've been 1, but it's apparent on every game I've watched. Effortless release. Quick & efficient.
5. ++Ball placement on throws down the field.
6. (I like this one a lot) Velocity doesn't seem to be impacted when off platform/not throwing from a balanced base.

https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1887503262397702165