Cam Ward VS Shedeur Sanders VS Jaxson Dart

[Philosophers]

Our best OL player with a PFF is only like 74 and that's a player who is always hurt.  Rest are in 60s and below.  That's hardly a foundational OL to build around.  I call that a tear down and rebuild.

[Gmo11]

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1894398943225667871

It's a great rep.  Just one rep but a great rep.  That's the type of play where over the last 5 years more often than not we'd see a QB either take a sack or just throw the deep route since that was the first read regardless of what the safety was doing.  That's a simple play for an NFL QB to make, but the Giants haven't had an NFL QB in a very long time. 

I still don't think people realize how much it's going to change if they can find a guy that can simply just do THAT consistently.  Let alone the crazy superstar plays, tight window throws, manipulating defenders, all of that.  That's the dream. But just to not have complete incompetency at the QB position is going to make this offense a lot more effective and fun even before you factor in free agents and other draft picks.

[MightyGiants]

It is no secret that the New York Giants enter the offseason with a huge need at the quarterback position. After cutting Daniel Jones, New York is desperate for a starting quarterback, and with the third-overall pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Giants could have a shot at landing one of the top quarterback prospects. Miami's Cam Ward and Colorado's Shedeur Sanders are projected to be high first-round picks, and both have been linked to New York. After speaking with team sources, the early feeling is the Giants prefer Ward over Sanders but say they are not in love with either of them.

 

With Ward, they feel he has more mobility, more arm strength, and more upside. They feel you will have to coach out the gunslinger mentality a little bit, but that gunslinger and ad-lib ability are his special qualities. With Sanders, they like the accuracy and anticipation but have concerns about his lack of running ability for the NFL, holding the ball too long, and potentially having to deal with distraction from his father and the focus on building a brand.

 
Sources say the Giants are not smitten with either prospect, but if they don't fill the quarterback need in free agency, they will probably draft one of these two quarterbacks. Both received starter grades, and they feel they have to take a shot at getting a long-term solution for the position.


https://walterfootball.com/giants-prefer-ward-over-sanders.php

[MightyGiants]

The 2025 NFL Draft is known not to be a strong year for quarterback talent, and many scouts are not high on either Miami's Cam Ward or Colorado's Sheduer Sanders. Still, the consensus belief is they will go early in the first round as there are a lot of franchises that are desperate for a young franchise quarterback. After those two are off the board, the consensus third quarterback to get selected is Ole Miss' Jaxson Dart. Some in the media, including ESPN, have pushed Dart into the first round of mock drafts. However, after surveying ten teams, nine of them had Dart as a day two pick at best. Only one source, an AFC general manager, thought Dart would go in the first round.

 

"Hell no," texted an NFC area scout. "I don't see it personally. His size and arm are ordinary. He's a decent athlete, but he's not scaring anybody in the NFL into spying him, or planning outside of structure. That offensive system specifically has yet to generate a high end NFL QB. I get he's some PFF darling, but so are all the quarterbacks coming out of that scheme in general, and none turn out to be top-half NFL starters, let alone quality backups."

 
In 2024, Dart completed 69 percent of his passes for 4,279 yards with 29 touchdowns and six interceptions. The majority of the team evaluators had Dart as a third-rounder but said he could go in the second round. Teams like his instincts, toughness, and competitiveness. However, they feel he lacks pocket presence, can be reckless with the ball, and does not have special physical talent. Some compared him to Raiders quarterback Gardner Minshew. One NFC director of player personnel said their team had him lower heading into the combine. He texted, "We had him as a fourth-rounder, maybe a third by the draft."

Some of the sources think that projections of Dart in the first round are driven by the media and/or agent-driven. One AFC director of college scouting said in response to Dart being a legit first-round prospect, "No. Dart has some ability, but his epic meltdown against Florida says a lot about his mental toughness."

https://walterfootball.com/vast-majority-of-teams-see-dart-as-day-2-prospect.php

[brownelvis54]

Shedeur Sanders as of 2 days ago on PFF BIG BOARD 2025 is ranked 45th best player. Cam Ward is 20th and no other QB makes their top 50




https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2025

[andrew_nyGiants]

The best case scenario here is we sign someone like Fields have him compete with a journeyman and win the starting spot, and then build out the rest of the roster with younger FA's and draft picks, with either Hunter or Carter (my preference is Hunter) at #3 or trade down and stay in the top 10 and load up on picks.

I honestly believe if they do anything different (like spend a fortune on a veteran QB) we're headed back to the '70's and that's not a good thing.

[Jclayton92]

To add a little humor to the thread this has been #1 trending in the US on Twitter.

https://youtu.be/blNaPIJrAvg?si=2Wdi_bv396k6I91h

Jaxson Dart survived 3 years there and still came out a leader, give him the bag now.

Also I went to ole miss and spend time there still, this is just another Wednesday in Oxford.

[GloryDays]

Our best OL player with a PFF is only like 74 and that's a player who is always hurt.  Rest are in 60s and below.  That's hardly a foundational OL to build around.  I call that a tear down and rebuild.

If you just go by that clear weakness, the present management has failed big time; more importantly, it wasn't for lack of trying either, as they spent big capital and team resources on the position. ABSOLUTE FAILURE. A ROOKIE QB, even with high potential, will be another DJ and get ruined.

[kartanoman]

If you just go by that clear weakness, the present management has failed big time; more importantly, it wasn't for lack of trying either, as they spent big capital and team resources on the position. ABSOLUTE FAILURE. A ROOKIE QB, even with high potential, will be another DJ and get ruined.

This is precisely why all the talk about a QB is an exercise in futility in the upcoming draft.

If they do not fix the Offensive Line, which means build enough depth to withstand the usual injuries, and not drop off significantly in performance, no quarterback they might choose will matter in the final analysis. That has to be the priority or they may as well not even show up to pick anyone and let John and Steve throw darts at their board blindfolded. At least they'll have a more interesting draft that way.

You know the Strategic Imperative I keep harping, over and over.

Peace!

[MightyGiants]

Having heard Cossell break down all the top QB prospects, one question pops up in my mind.

What is the difference between McCord and Sanders?   Why is one in talk of being a top 5 pick and the other being talked as a day two prospect?  They seem to have very similar talent sets and production (at least last year).  I appreciate that Sanders had done it for more seasons, but McCord doesn't come with the Sanders baggage.

[Ed Vette]

Having heard Cossell break down all the top QB prospects, one question pops up in my mind.

What is the difference between McCord and Sanders?  Why is one in talk of being a top 5 pick and the other being talked as a day two prospect?  They seem to have very similar talent sets and production (at least last year).  I appreciate that Sanders had done it for more seasons, but McCord doesn't come with the Sanders baggage.

And who faced tougher competition with less talent? Two years pretty close.

[Philosophers]

To add a little humor to the thread this has been #1 trending in the US on Twitter.

https://youtu.be/blNaPIJrAvg?si=2Wdi_bv396k6I91h

Jaxson Dart survived 3 years there and still came out a leader, give him the bag now.

Also I went to ole miss and spend time there still, this is just another Wednesday in Oxford.

Hilarious.  Well he swung for the fences on that one.

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1895463398315553103

[Gmo11]

https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1895463398315553103

So now we know he can spit unrelenting BS to the media while at the podium.  That is one skill a starting QB is going to need.  Perhaps not the most important...but it's on the list.

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/NFLFrascella/status/1895476562205774283