Giants’ dysfunction flows from John Mara, Mike Florio says | Pro Football Talk

[nb587]

I'm having trouble following much less endorsing your reasoning concerning Florio's widely accepted assertion that John Mara's is central in the both the current and longer-term dysfunction of the Giants Organization.

Mara's cronyism was singularly responsible for the hiring of the useless bloviator Dave Gettleman who completely and quite rigidly overestimated the value and contribution to winning of a Giants Running Back-even one as talented as Barkley- and thus foreclosed the possibility of adding one of the QBs you mentioned. Then the following year, with Justin Herbert deciding to not enter the Draft, Gettleman/ Mara found themselves enamored instead by a Manning Bothers-coached, Eli-resembling QB from Duke named Daniel Jones, who they gleefully took with their 6th overall pick.

How did both of those Mara-made Gettleman decisions pan out? There is no way to spin it into something woulda/coulda good. Nor as it turned out, was it anything but a millstone around the collective necks of Schoen and Daboll who, although now free from DJ, are still yoked by Mara's equivocations while approaching a Draft and FA marked by a high level of uncertainty.

I suspect that what Florio really wanted to say, although already too late to do so, was John Mara STFU.

Cheers!

Well written

[sxdxca38]

I'm having trouble following much less endorsing your reasoning concerning Florio's widely accepted assertion that John Mara's is central in the both the current and longer-term dysfunction of the Giants Organization.

Mara's cronyism was singularly responsible for the hiring of the useless bloviator Dave Gettleman who completely and quite rigidly overestimated the value and contribution to winning of a Giants Running Back-even one as talented as Barkley- and thus foreclosed the possibility of adding one of the QBs you mentioned. Then the following year, with Justin Herbert deciding to not enter the Draft, Gettleman/ Mara found themselves enamored instead by a Manning Bothers-coached, Eli-resembling QB from Duke named Daniel Jones, who they gleefully took with their 6th overall pick.

How did both of those Mara-made Gettleman decisions pan out? There is no way to spin it into something woulda/coulda good. Nor as it turned out, was it anything but a millstone around the collective necks of Schoen and Daboll who, although now free from DJ, are still yoked by Mara's equivocations while approaching a Draft and FA marked by a high level of uncertainty.

I suspect that what Florio really wanted to say, although already too late to do so, was John Mara STFU.

Cheers!

Fair enough Painter, and good reasoning. I agree with you that the hiring of Gettleman and as you called him the bloviator really sunk this franchise. Especially in his inability to draft a franchise QB.

[GloryDays]

It takes much higher level of football knowledge, or having much less ego, to hire a proven football mind to assess the team at every level and those in charge; then to propose changes, wherever needed.
Mara and Tisch seem to be clueless, and more importantly, they are not aware of their ineptitude!

[AZGiantFan]

I think that one could also make the case that any effect Mara has had in increasing the Giants' market value does not stem from his management role with the Giants, but rather from his influence and actions in league management, where he is reputed to be both influential and respected.  The Giants are simply a boat that has benefited from a rising tide.

[jimc]

[nb587]

It takes much higher level of football knowledge, or having much less ego, to hire a proven football mind to assess the team at every level and those in charge; then to propose changes, wherever needed.
Mara and Tisch seem to be clueless, and more importantly, they are not aware of their ineptitude!

I dont know about Tisch but you for sure described Mara.  The only thing that I would add is his inclination to talk to the media and say stupid stuff.

[spiderblue43]

John Mara is a peter principle ideal. Has no instincts and direction..a boob they would call in days past despite his legal status. Nice guy..okay..fool for the city...of course. His dad to be reigned in dysfunctionally too...but he escapes that with his partnership.

[kartanoman]

In the past 10 years the value of the team has increased from $2.1 Billion to $7.3 Billion while putting forth a product that could be considered to be the same as what comes out of the south end of a northbound horse. Maybe worse. That's all one needs to know. His ego is satisfied, and from a human nature standpoint there is no incentive to change.

Do you think he won't be satisfied until he's running neck and neck with his nemesis in the "Big D?" Jerry's #1, Johnny's #4. There's always room to improve your personal locker in the country club, you know?

Peace!

[AYM]

Ignoring the nepotism (which is itself a problem), two undeniable ways he's undermined the team:

1) Undermining the front office in the media.

Remember "the offense is broken"? He's made comments like these in the media over the years. More recently, "we've done everything to screw Daniel Jones up." Regardless of how good - or how bad - of a GM you think Schoen is, Mara cut the legs out from under him when he had to decide how to proceed with Jones after 2022. And that decision led to the Barkley fiasco.

2) Culture of scapegoating

Over the years, this team has identified a series of scapegoats as "the problem" as this team lumbers through Dark Ages II. First it was Gilbride. Then it was Couglin. Then Reese. And so on. It was Daniel Jones' turn mid last year and now it's Schoen/Daboll.

[coggs]

It is not just John Mara.  Chris Mara, McNamara (or whatever that one's name is) and god only knows how many other family members have a seat at the table.  Chris Mara wanted some personnel position during the George Young years.  Young said, "Never going to happen. Ownership cant be fired."