By the Giants signing two veteran QBs

[MightyGiants]

The veteran QB to QB need dynamic has shifted.   Prior to the two signings, there seemed to be more QBs than jobs.  Now, with the Giants taking two pieces off the board, it will be interesting to see how the Steelers, Browns, and Vikings navigate things.   Things could be even more desperate if Aaron Rodgers decides to retire.  You have to think that Flacco's agent is a very popular man this morning.

I have to wonder what the Vikings were thinking.  They have a win-now team, and they put all their eggs in the JJ (coming off a season-ending injury) basket) with no veteran bridge QB to fall back on should JJ not be physically or mentally ready to lead the team.

The Browns are almost forced to draft Sanders at this point.

It seems that the Steelers lost whatever leverage they may have had with Rodgers now that Rodgers is their only hope to try and compete with their win-now roster.

[MrGap92]

Have to appreciate them taking action, instead of letting other players and teams deciding their fate for them.

Anyone can say what they want, but Schoen has had a solid offseason, importantly, one that does not scream desperation. This team "should" be much more competitive this year, while draft plans should not change too much. He did not mortgage the future at all.

Still more pieces, a better RG would have been nice, still can happen in draft. But this roster is in much better shape compared to pre-FA.

I think Wilson is a better fit than Rodgers also, so I am glad they got who they decided to go with instead of waiting it out, potentially running out of fallback options or having their hand forced.

[MightyGiants]

Have to appreciate them taking action, instead of letting other players and teams deciding their fate for them.

Anyone can say what they want, but Schoen has had a solid offseason, importantly, one that does not scream desperation. This team "should" be much more competitive this year, while draft plans should not change too much. He did not mortgage the future at all.

Still more pieces, a better RG would have been nice, still can happen in draft. But this roster is in much better shape compared to pre-FA.

I think Wilson is a better fit than Rodgers also, so I am glad they got who they decided to go with instead of waiting it out, potentially running out of fallback options or having their hand forced.

I agree with most of what you said.  I would have preferred Rodgers (at least on the field).  However, I also appreciate that from Rodger's perspective, the Giants were a terrible fit.

Schoen has set up the Giants about as well as he could this offseason (without mortgaging the future).  Now we need to see how he does in the draft.

[MrGap92]

I agree with most of what you said.  I would have preferred Rodgers (at least on the field).  However, I also appreciate that from Rodger's perspective, the Giants were a terrible fit.

Schoen has set up the Giants about as well as he could this offseason (without mortgaging the future).  Now we need to see how he does in the draft.

That's fair, I just feel like Wilson would be and is more willing to be a better mentor, which I think is going to be important, should they draft a QB(s)

Let's hope for another draft like last year 

[Brooklyn Dave]

I sincerely hope that the Giants pass on a QB at number 3 and wait until round 2 or 3. They are assured of getting an impact player whether it be Carter , Hunter or Graham . As I have previously posted I am a big Graham fan .

[londonblue]

Schoen has lifted us out of the sub-basement and set the team up in an adequate rent-controlled ground floor apartment in an outer suburb by signing both Wilson and Winston. We are still a long way off having the resources to acquire the penthouse suite in a luxury Manhattan development but it beats the unfurnished room in a house scheduled for demolition we had a month ago.

[MightyGiants]

I will add one thing:   I have changed my focus from looking at Sanders and Dart, to considering the next tier of QB prospects and which would be a nice day two (or three) developmental pick.

[Jolly Blue Giant]

I will add one thing:  I have changed my focus from looking at Sanders and Dart, to considering the next tier of QB prospects and which would be a nice day two (or three) developmental pick.

I'm with you there. I'm not sold on Dart as first round material. I see him as "Kenny Pickett" type QB, but an inch shorter than Pickett. But that is probably unfair of me as I'm no expert. I'm banking on Schoen, Dabs, Tierney, and scouts to do their due diligence to find the most likely QB to succeed in the future. It's no secret that I'm a McCord fan, but I also like Shough and am extremely intrigued with Taylor Elgersma, who reminds me of a green Phil Simms who will probably need 2-years of seasoning to adjust to the NFL. Whatever the case, I don't think there's a "franchise" qb in this year's draft

There's been plenty (too much, probably) discussion about what constitutes a "franchise QB", and I think I can put it in terms that makes sense. I have to borrow from my fandom of the NY Knicks, who throw around a term that they use when discussing their players. For instance, the knock on KAT, is although he is a superstar player, he "can't take over a game when needed". Brunson on the other hand does not look the part of a superstar, but his innate ability is to "take over a game and carry the team on his back"

So...IMHO...a franchise QB is "one who instinctively, can step up and take over the game and force a victory" when the rest of the team is struggling. It's not about arm strength, or ability to read defenses quickly and accurately, or pin-point accuracy...it's about taking over the game and carrying a team on his back

[MightyGiants]

I'm with you there. I'm not sold on Dart as first round material. I see him as "Kenny Pickett" type QB, but an inch shorter than Pickett. But that is probably unfair of me as I'm no expert. I'm banking on Schoen, Dabs, Tierney, and scouts to do their due diligence to find the most likely QB to succeed in the future. It's no secret that I'm a McCord fan, but I also like Shough and am extremely intrigued with Taylor Elgersma, who reminds me of a green Phil Simms who will probably need 2-years of seasoning to adjust to the NFL. Whatever the case, I don't think there's a "franchise" qb in this year's draft

There's been plenty (too much, probably) discussion about what constitutes a "franchise QB", and I think I can put it in terms that makes sense. I have to borrow from my fandom of the NY Knicks, who throw around a term that they use when discussing their players. For instance, the knock on KAT, is although he is a superstar player, he "can't take over a game when needed". Brunson on the other hand does not look the part of a superstar, but his innate ability is to "take over a game and carry the team on his back"

So...IMHO...a franchise QB is "one who instinctively, can step up and take over the game and force a victory" when the rest of the team is struggling. It's not about arm strength, or ability to read defenses quickly and accurately, or pin-point accuracy...it's about taking over the game and carrying a team on his back

Ric,

This is just me, but I have different criteria for developmental prospects than I do top of the draft prospects.  When I was looking at Dart and Sanders, first I considered their transition to the NFL and leaned more heavily on production and accomplishments at the college level.

With developmental prospects, I am more traits and ceiling-focused (with an eye toward can the issues that prevented them from being a top prospect being fixed).

From that vantage point, I am less interested in weaker-trait QBs like Howard and McCord.  I am more interested in prospects like Shough (who you mentioned) and Milroe.   Even Ewers is going to get a closer look.  Even Taylor Elgersma is someone I will take a deeper dive into

[dasher]

I would like us to still draft a developmental QB in the middle rounds. Will Howard of Ohio State is never mentioned here but is Drew Boylhart of the Huddle Report's most promising QB.

Will Howard   QB   Ohio St.           
Will has improved and shown everyone his talent this year simply because he was given the chance. He has excellent size and strength and has the athleticism needed outside of the pocket to make throws on the run or gain 1st downs with his legs. He is very smart and his improvement from game to game this year shows a unique ability to take what he learns in practice onto the field quickly. Will stands strong in the pocket and only leaves the pocket when he is ready and not just because there is pressure. He can make all the throws with accuracy and has the needed velocity in the red zone to be more than effective. You can empty the backfield and still have a running game with Will as quarterback because of his size, competitiveness, and athleticism to run the ball with power. He has the tools to become a franchise quarterback and the talent to start and learn through adversity as well as success. He makes the players around him better through his play on the field and when you need a big play, he finds a way to give his team that needed lift and make the big play. Good leaders know when to follow and when to lead and Will understands on the field to use the talents of the players around him to gain the teams goals. Will is going to be a hell of a quarterback for the team that selects him...a franchise quarterback. Place your bets now.   Talent Grade: 1.36

[T200]

Have to appreciate them taking action, instead of letting other players and teams deciding their fate for them.

Anyone can say what they want, but Schoen has had a solid offseason, importantly, one that does not scream desperation. This team "should" be much more competitive this year, while draft plans should not change too much. He did not mortgage the future at all.

Still more pieces, a better RG would have been nice, still can happen in draft. But this roster is in much better shape compared to pre-FA.

I think Wilson is a better fit than Rodgers also, so I am glad they got who they decided to go with instead of waiting it out, potentially running out of fallback options or having their hand forced.

I liked what he said at his post-season presser so much that I added it to my signature.