A Tier Two QB thread

[MightyGiants]

I had the Ward/Sanders/Dart thread when it appeared the Giants were going QB at three.  With that seeming to be a less likely scenario, I figured I would start a second thread for day 2/3 QB prospects.


Based on this Tweet, I am thinking the Giants don't have a whole lot of interest in Howard



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[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/ncoopdraft/status/1904582803775209966

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/NFL_DougFarrar/status/1904939106150604951

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/SharpFBAnalysis/status/1905239013885096278

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1905258861532975375

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/Nate_Tice/status/1905023387564745148

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/SamMonsonNFL/status/1905322368899412343

[Rinaken]

After 8 years in college.... Shough is finally showing what he can do!     

[President Rick]

will howard will be an nfl qb for 15 years...I hope we draft him

[Jclayton92]

I would throw the remote if the Giants took Shough with our 2nd or either 3rd. He is the embodiment of a walking red flag. I'd prefer almost any of the other qbs over him.

[MightyGiants]

I would throw the remote if the Giants took Shough with our 2nd or either 3rd. He is the embodiment of a walking red flag. I'd prefer almost any of the other qbs over him.

Here's what Todd McShay had to say:


Tyler Shough, Louisville (6-foot-5, 219 pounds)
Shough has already experienced a lifetime of football adversity, much of which will benefit him at the next level. He's had five different coordinators in seven seasons and three season-ending injuries. That all did wonders for thickening his skin, and as a result, Shough is NFL ready from a maturity standpoint. I don't worry about how he'll handle adversity early in his career. He also has an advanced understanding of NFL concepts, verbiage, how to correct mistakes, and overall mechanics. In short, he's prepared for whatever the NFL throws at him. Despite age and durability concerns, Shough is an accurate passer with a live arm. He has impressive mobility, though his size and lack of lateral agility affect his ability to evade defenders in the pocket. He processes defenses well but can also make some off-schedule magic happen when he needs to. I have a Round 2 grade on Shough.

Universal Football Traits                       
Production: 2
Size-Speed Ratio: 1                   
Durability: 4
Intangibles: 1

Quarterback-Specific Traits
Mental Makeup: 2   
Accuracy: 2
Release/Arm Strength: 1.5
Pocket Mobility: 2

Top Traits

Accuracy: Eyes, feet, trigger! The depth of his drops and how he keeps his feet married to his eyes are both impressive. He works diligently to get his feet correct to establish a solid throwing base. When he does, he's usually razor-sharp.

Ball placement: Shough knows when to layer with touch and when to drill it. His receivers did not help his completion percentage, but Shough's accuracy is plainly evident on tape.

Release: Shough has a live arm, and the ball jumps off his hand. He has good energy at the end of his throws and drives the football without strain.

Arm talent: He effectively adjusts arm angles and can make difficult off-platform throws.

Mobility: There's some magic in his game. He'll locate a receiver late while off-balance or with a defender hanging off him and flick his wrist or shovel the ball to keep the play alive. He also gets to top gear in a hurry as a runner and is the best runner of the top four QB prospects in this class.

Frame and athleticism: Shough is the tallest and fastest of the top QB prospects. He also has the largest hand span.

Limitations and Areas for Improvement

Age: He turns 26 in September.

Durability: He played only one full season at Louisville. His medicals will be a hang-up for some, though his three injuries were bone breaks. There's no concern of degeneration or fear of recurrence.

Throwing on the move: The only time Shough gets in trouble with accuracy is when he gets tangled up with his feet due to pressure he can't evade. He's taller, so not as sudden as the other three guys at the top of the QB board.

Decision-making: While I love his processing, reading of defenses, and aggressive approach as a passer, he can be careless with the football at times. Shough also needs to better protect his body to hold up in the pros.

Quickness: Despite his straight-line speed, Shough is not as twitchy and sudden as Ward, Sanders, or Dart. He takes a few too many sacks while trying to extend plays, and he's not sudden enough to do so in small spaces. He lacks the lateral agility to evade fast rushers.

[MightyGiants]

I am really starting to warm up to Tyler Shough.

Three people, who I believe are good QB evaluators, have all endorsed him:

Greg Cossell
Todd McShay
Phil Simms

[Ed Vette]

I am really starting to warm up to Tyler Shough.

Three people, who I believe are good QB evaluators, have all endorsed him:

Greg Cossell
Todd McShay
Phil Simms

Rich, have you done any film on him yourself?

[MightyGiants]

Rich, have you done any film on him yourself?

Only a little, I plan to do more

[Ed Vette]

Rich, have you done any film on him yourself?

Rich, tell me what you see.