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POLL- Which Draft Option Do You Prefer?

Started by MightyGiants, March 27, 2025, 08:32:55 AM

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Which draft option do you prefer

MightyGiants

I posted the Todd McShay Show, and he went over these three options for the Giants.  I was wondering what people's preferences are.  To further qualify option three, failing to get Dart the backup is Shough or Milroe with pick 34. 


If you like give your preference of Carter or Hunter (assuming both are there) in the comments.
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MrGap92

#1
I put other, because I don't care what ESPN, or other mock drafters and pundits say or how they rank.

Draft whoever you (Schoen/Daboll) believe is the BPA for the Giants at the time of each pick. If one is a QB, great, if not, it is what it is we aren't in desperation mode now. We have Wilson this year, and Winston for two years, barring any extensions.

If we don't draft one, bring in one or two of the most physically gifted QB UDFAs and have them compete with DeVito for the #3 if it comes to it. Not that I expect any rockstars of course. Then we worry about it in 2026, 2027

MightyGiants

Quote from: MrGap92 on March 27, 2025, 09:00:14 AMI put other, because I don't care what ESPN, or other mock drafters and pundits say or how they rank.

Draft whoever you (Schoen/Daboll) believe is the BPA for the Giants at the time of each pick. If one is a QB, great, if not, it is what it is we aren't in desperation mode now. We have Wilson this year, and Winston for two years, barring any extensions.

If we don't draft one, bring in one or two of the most physically gifted QB UDFAs and have them compete with DeVito for the #3 if it comes to it. Not that I expect any rockstars of course. Then we worry about it in 2026, 2027

I appreciate the position that you have faith in and support what Schoen and Daboll decide.  However, this poll is asking for your preference.  I don't think Schoen and Daboll not matching one's preference should require you not to support the alternative play.

Frankly, I looked at the three alternatives listed, and while I voted to make a play for Dart, I don't think there is a clear-cut right or wrong answer here.  I think all three alternatives have their plusses and minuses.
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MrGap92

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 27, 2025, 09:31:54 AMI appreciate the position that you have faith in and support what Schoen and Daboll decide.  However, this poll is asking for your preference.  I don't think Schoen and Daboll not matching one's preference should require you not to support the alternative play.

Frankly, I looked at the three alternatives listed, and while I voted to make a play for Dart, I don't think there is a clear-cut right or wrong answer here.  I think all three alternatives have their plusses and minuses.

As for Hunter or Carter, I am literally 50/50 on them. I would like Dart but I wouldn't trade up for him though, so I guess that puts me at option A.

Though, I would prefer, if there is a willing partner, getting a few extra picks then targeting Tyler Warren, Will Johnson, or maybe even Dart at that point.

MightyGiants

Quote from: MrGap92 on March 27, 2025, 09:36:40 AMAs for Hunter or Carter, I am literally 50/50 on them. I would like Dart but I wouldn't trade up for him though, so I guess that puts me at option A.

Though, I would prefer, if there is a willing partner, getting a few extra picks then targeting Tyler Warren, Will Johnson, or maybe even Dart at that point.

I am torn on the trade-down alternative.  In the past, I would have been a big fan of the trade down, as I love draft picks.   Then, the whole trade down for Kadarious Toney fiasco where the Giants passed on an outstanding Edge rusher (Parsons) and an outstanding LT (Slater) to trade down and draft the bust of a WR.  To make matters worse, the Giants used the extra first-round pick on Evan Neal.

I couldn't think of a worse trade-down scenario than that.

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Gmo11

I don't think you can pass on a guy like Hunter or Carter just to take a guy who you know beyond a shadow of a doubt will not take a single snap this season.  It's not like Sanders or Dart would be the backup if Wilson/Winston got hurt or faltered.  They'd remain on the bench the entire season completely burning a year of that rookie contract. 

The moves they have made to this point indicate to me that they're probably not going to take a QB at all, or if they do it's not going to be until the 4th or 5th round.  They have a chance to get 3 starters in this draft, to put on an already improved roster, that finally has not 1 but 2 QBs that have shown at least some ability to read a defense, and then throw the ball down the field.  They're trying to win right now.  For better or worse.

If it were up to me I'd have only signed one of the QBs and then drafted a guy high to develop behind him.  But since we're here, at this point I would say fill out the roster the best you can and then sell the farm to try and get a QB next year.  As risky and costly as that might be, I think they believe this roster is basically built so they can mortgage most of a draft or two in order to get their franchise QB next year, assuming there's even a team willing to take the Giants' farm rather than the franchise QB themselves.

MrGap92

To be fair, half of that was Gettlemans doing. But fair.

If they value the options at 3 significantly more than the people they think they can get a bit further down along with more picks, then they should stay put. Just depends where they see the value I guess.

MightyGiants

Quote from: Gmo11 on March 27, 2025, 09:47:28 AMI don't think you can pass on a guy like Hunter or Carter just to take a guy who you know beyond a shadow of a doubt will not take a single snap this season.  It's not like Sanders or Dart would be the backup if Wilson/Winston got hurt or faltered.  They'd remain on the bench the entire season completely burning a year of that rookie contract. 

The moves they have made to this point indicate to me that they're probably not going to take a QB at all, or if they do it's not going to be until the 4th or 5th round.  They have a chance to get 3 starters in this draft, to put on an already improved roster, that finally has not 1 but 2 QBs that have shown at least some ability to read a defense, and then throw the ball down the field.  They're trying to win right now.  For better or worse.

If it were up to me I'd have only signed one of the QBs and then drafted a guy high to develop behind him.  But since we're here, at this point I would say fill out the roster the best you can and then sell the farm to try and get a QB next year.  As risky and costly as that might be, I think they believe this roster is basically built so they can mortgage most of a draft or two in order to get their franchise QB next year, assuming there's even a team willing to take the Giants' farm rather than the franchise QB themselves.

A question I heard raised: if the Giants draft a QB high, who would be the second-string QB?  Would it be the highly drafted rookie or Winston?  Winston is NFL ready and should be QB 2, but if you draft a QB at 3 there will be tons of pressure to make that QB the 2nd stringer
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Jolly Blue Giant

I'm all in on Hunter and not Carter. I think Hunter is a once in a lifetime type of player who is exceptional at both defense and offense. Whatever team gets him will showcase his abilities for the next decade, and we will be kicking ourselves in the ass for missing out...not unlike passing on Micah Parsons, a while back. Carter on the other hand, will vie with Thibs and Burns for playing time, and will play in a rotation unless an injury opens the door. Also, Carter's foot injury could haunt him for his career. Foot injuries really throw an athlete off their game. In the military, protecting feet is the most important factor in training soldiers. Once a soldier has a foot injury, he's considered a liability

As for QBs...I'm still all in on drafting two of them, preferably taking Elgersma in late rounds. Now that we have Wilson on board, there is time for development of a QB, as it's not an emergency to get him on the field as quick as possible
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MightyGiants

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 27, 2025, 09:54:27 AMI'm all in on Hunter and not Carter. I think Hunter is a once in a lifetime type of player who is exceptional at both defense and offense. Whatever team gets him will showcase his abilities for the next decade, and we will be kicking ourselves in the ass for missing out...not unlike passing on Micah Parsons, a while back. Carter on the other hand, will vie with Thibs and Burns for playing time, and will play in a rotation unless an injury opens the door. Also, Carter's foot injury could haunt him for his career. Foot injuries really throw an athlete off their game. In the military, protecting feet is the most important factor in training soldiers. Once a soldier has a foot injury, he's considered a liability

As for QBs...I'm still all in on drafting two of them, preferably taking Elgersma in late rounds. Now that we have Wilson on board, there is time for development of a QB, as it's not an emergency to get him on the field as quick as possible


Ric,

I liked the idea of drafting 2 QBs, but with the signing of both Wilson and Winston, it seems unlikely as the Giants are unlikely to carry 4 QBs, and if you draft a good one and put him on the PS, he could get poached.
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katkavage

Draft Hunter or Carter and take a QB later. Don't make any deals for Dart.  Hope that Milroe or Schough show promise. If not, a QB next year.

killarich

I chose other

But it's literally the first option with just Graham added

Gmo11

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 27, 2025, 09:52:01 AMA question I heard raised: if the Giants draft a QB high, who would be the second-string QB?  Would it be the highly drafted rookie or Winston?  Winston is NFL ready and should be QB 2, but if you draft a QB at 3 there will be tons of pressure to make that QB the 2nd stringer

That's exactly why I wouldn't do it.  Russ might stink or get hurt and then what?  You can't jump the rookie over Winston especially when you know the locker room is going to love Winston because every locker room loves Winston.  People lost their minds when Devito jumped Lock and that actually made all the sense in the world.  This would actually be something that didn't make much sense if they jumped the rookie up to #2.  So I think they take that scenario off the board entirely and just wait until like the 4th round if they take a QB at all.

kartanoman

Good morning, Rich @MightyGiants  .

I chose "other" only because I would gladly take one of Carter/Hunter; however, my priority would involve adding talent to the roster, which is a far greater need, than messing around with a development QB right now.

Go all out in 2026 for the franchise QB. Unless Daboll has a conviction on someone in this draft, every point of draft currency is precious and must be treated as gold.

The Giants MUST come out of this draft MORE talented and with MORE depth than at any time over the past decade. They don't have the luxury to use a roster space for a player who is not going to see the field in 2025. They need talent who will contribute positively today!

I don't want to rain on everyone's parade about discussing the QB because I've enjoyed reading everyone's input. I'm still snake bitten after what we witnessed after Andrew Thomas went down last season. This team demonstrated it had a single point of failure and it proved to be Thomas. The whole thing went down in flames after that MNF game against the Bengals.

The QB situation is resolved with the bridge strategy in place.

The offensive line still needs at least a guard, I believe another tackle, and a guard/center for depth.

Defensive line needs a buddy for Dex and a depth player.

Secondary has improved but imagining Hunter out there makes me think of a game changing potential he brings. As an offensive weapon, just a "wow" in terms of the possibilities.

Instead of giving away draft capital to get Dart, how about keep pick 34 and go get a Skattebo from AZ State? Or use it to get a quality Guard? Either will contribute immediately in season 2025.

I'm sorry, but respectfully pass on all the QBs, wait til next year, and improved the quality and depth of the roster this year and it will make all the difference when the Giants eventually select their franchise QB.

Peace!





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andrew_nyGiants

I picked option 1.

With the proviso that they could not find a partner with whom to trade down and snag a 2026 1st round pick. In that case I would trade down.
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