Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on September 19, 2024, 03:22:16 PMWell, according to his coaches, he is excellent at reading defenses. I'm no coach and I have no inside information, but I believe his QB coaches know whether or not DJ understands and reads defenses

How many coaches come out and say "my guy is terrible at reading defenses"? I don't put much credence into puffery of the starting QB.

I have no animosity towards Saquon (despite jesting about his habits at times). He was a strong leader for the Giants and an exciting player, if underwhelming for his draft position. He wanted to get paid--deservedly so--and found someone to do it. I hope he plays well for the Eagles...

And that the Eagles lose every game he plays in (and all others), Jalen Hurts is proven to not be worth the massive investment they made, and Sirianni stays as their coach for a very long time.

Quote from: Philosophers on September 18, 2024, 10:07:22 AMWhat did I write?  Repetitive record of success.  Where did Shurmur have that as a HC?  Nowhere.  Never should have been considered.

Who are these coaches with repetitive records of success you speak about that are available? Sure, Harbaugh... but he took years to return to the NFL for a specific scenario with a young franchise QB. Is there anyone like that out there the Giants can appeal to? And I don't care about Belichik because I think he's cooked after he ran New England into the ground for years.

Look at re-tread hires from this past offseason: Falcons hired Raheem Morris (a failure in Tampa Bay) and the Commanders hired Dan Quinn (a failure in Atlanta). Still a lot of football to be played to see how they turn out, but they were certainly not what I would call coaches with "repetitive records of success." All other hires were first time coaches. No one even bothered to bring in as head coach Ron Rivera or Mike Vrabel, and they have some success in their history.

Let's go to 2022: Panthers hired Frank Reich, a head coach with some success... They fired him before he even finished the season. Broncos hired Sean Payton--likely the most accomplished head coach available in years with a Superbowl victory under his belt--and they went 8-9 last season and are now 0-2.

I get the concept--I really do. The idea is if they had success before, they can do it again. But there's similarly a reason they're available. I see it as extremely conservative and based on assumptions I don't really agree with. The Giants aren't going to go anywhere playing it safe in my opinion.

I also think if you're going to say that rising coordinators miss you need to back it up. If they miss at the same rate that re-tread hires do, what is the difference? And what if when they hit they hit bigger? Without this information I don't know how you can say one is better than the other just because it feels that way.

How did Pay Shurmur work out for the Giants? Any single instance is just going to be anecdotal and there's plenty of examples of seasoned head coaches failing (hence why they were available in the first place).

I have no issue with the Giants getting first time head coaches. The issue to me is raiding the wrong coaching trees. I'd be looking at the Rams and 49ers assistants, not New England and Buffalo.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on September 17, 2024, 03:32:06 PMSet us back 4 years. The one year things broke the right way for us when we didn't need it to.

If I'm being honest I think this qb class is a mirage, so it'd be a very Giants thing to get the first pick this coming offseason when we needed it the following year. Similar to having the 5 and 7 in the worst qb class ever.

Get #1 and trade it for a haul? In theory I like that--look what it did for Chicago (results pending, of course, but the approach gave them huge dividends)--but it's a tough pill to swallow. And would Mara sign on for basically punting on 2025? Would Schoen and/or Daboll survive if they're even around after this season?

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 17, 2024, 12:21:56 PMFor the life of me, I don't know how you start off with the advantage of having a beast like Dex in the middle and be bad at stopping the run.

Wink had Dex, A'Shawn Robinson, and Leonard Williams for most of the season and Giants were similarly at the bottom of the barrell against the run at 29th in the NFL (and after 17 games, not just 2). Maybe Bowen is terrible. Or maybe he'll adjust. I don't know, but I would agree with a demand that it needs to get better.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on September 17, 2024, 12:15:12 PMNot just PTSD from his recent OLs, he's still knocking off rust and looking for rhythm after the long injury layoff.    Look at Rodgers, coming after sitting for a year with injury and hasn't passed for 200 yards in his first 2 games.

Aaron Rodgers is 40 coming off a major injury. His last full season in 2022 with GB wasn't very good and far below his standards. There's a very real chance he's not going to be the perennial-MVP candidate he once was. Put shortly, I don't find it a compelling comparison for our 27-year old signal caller whose diminished stats this season still aren't very far off what he's consistently produced in the past. Jones has regularly been up and down--there will be more up and more down, but that doesn't mean he's trending in a particular direction. 

Talking about who is leading the division after 2 games is pretty meaningless to me. Especially when 2 teams are a single game back with most of the intra-division games to come.

Bone-headed playcalling. Run the ball. Eat 40 seconds and maybe get the first down and end it.

For the Eagles having invested heavily in that defensive line in the draft the past few years, there was zero push from those interior players. Cousins is a very limited mobility QB right now and they rarely made him move around.

I think this actually helps the Giants. Andy Dalton is decent enough that they can pull out a win or two somewhere in their schedule (Atlanta, Giants).

How long before NY sports radio hosts ask if the Giants should trade for him?

Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 16, 2024, 01:26:07 PMAll the more reason to root for an 0-8 start. There will be absolutely no legal defense the NFLPA could put up to thwart the Giants' perfectly warranted benching of a winless QB halfway through the season.

Or just don't threaten him to rescind the injury guarantee or you'll bench him. That was monumentally stupid by the Broncos and evidence of bad faith. Just keep your mouth shut and bench him if/when you feel like it, say you're going a different direction, wanted to see what Lock/DeVito have (anything really) and you're probably fine.

Quote from: JT39 on September 16, 2024, 01:00:46 PMThere is no way in the WORLD that Burns played well enough to be a hero. I am sorry.

And Dru Phillips not being there is a reason why PFF loses credibility to me.

Dru had a 70.7. That's a solid score. Looks like they dinged him for 2 missed tackles and allowing 5 completions on 7 targets.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 16, 2024, 12:29:12 PMYou employed whataboutism to defend Burns' complete lack of impact over the last two defeats.

Accusing me of "employing" tactics is getting tired--its the second time in recent memory you've done so in a pejorative manner and I would appreciate you not making ad hominem attacks.

I'll lay it out simply so there's no confusion: your frustration around his lack of impact in two games is understandable and I (actually) share in it. (Though, apparently, I don't share in it enough to satisfy you). I, however, find it wild to declare (or imply) that he is not worth the trade, a bad or non-impactful player after just two games. I find this inconsistent with the way others on the team are treated so I don't understand why Burns wouldn't get the same indulgence.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 16, 2024, 12:18:03 PMSo you are defending a highly-paid player who cost the team major draft capital by pointing to other problems.  Sorry, I can't give him the free pass you are willing to hand out.

What free pass? Read what I said. Has he had an impact commensurate with what he's being paid? Nope. I just won't blame him for the Giants bad start and say with finality that after just two games it was a bad trade, bad contract, and he's not worth it.