Big Blue Huddle

I'm leaning towards the position that they have too many holes, starting and depth, to afford the luxury of a relatively high paid QB and RB.  I won't be upset if they let then both go and use the CAP space to sign some good players in the lower value positions, maybe 2 FA ILBs, of which there will be a number to choose from.  Maybe a couple of IOLs.  A safety.  An RB.  Maybe a rotational pass rusher.  Maybe a mid-price WR.  Then use the draft to go after higher value positions like WR and CB.  And fill out the draft with guys who provide depth who might develop into starters.

Then play Tyrod for 2023 and, with a more solid roster, go all-in for the QB in the 2024 draft that they like.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 20, 2022, 04:54:21 PMAgain I'm just not sure what exactly you're asking me to give him credit for. A couple of our receivers (James is the subject of this thread so I'll key on him in this post) had a couple of plays that they looked decent on. No Giant receiver even had 50 yards in this game, and overall our passing offense put up 160 yards on 32 attempts (5.0 YPA) and no touchdowns. It is unclear to me why you're put off by the fact that I'm not rushing to give Jones credit for either his or the receivers' performance in this game. By any rational measure our passing offense was poor, and we won this game for other reasons.

I have never bought into the narrative that our receivers are horrible. I certainly don't think they are good either. I think they're below average and we clearly lack a number one receiver, but we have NFL caliber players in this receiver room who are capable of making plays. So when a Richie James has a scrappy 42 yards and perhaps a nice play or two on specials, that's decent for him, but I'm not sure why I am expected to jump to heap credit on Jones for that.

I think the 97 yard drive which was almost all passing had a little something to do with the win.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 19, 2022, 01:56:03 PM1-10 in primetime games now, least he got that off his back with the win.

This is what drives me crazy.  Even a great win becomes an occasion to throw shade at DJ.

Quote from: Fletch on December 19, 2022, 12:22:22 PMSo it looks like NFL.com is using either QBR to be Rating and not actual QBR or just a mistake in general. But whatever ... that just goes to show that no one really cares
Here is an example from the Texans game:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Kansas+City+Chiefs+vs+Houston+Texans+Sunday%2c+December+18%2c+2022&FORM=S00035

It was a lot more fun around here without some xxxx who is trying to prove he's right all the time

Totally out of line, IMO.

Quote from: Fletch on December 19, 2022, 11:29:41 AMJust going from the early Sunday games which I still contend all the QBs were better --and I don't use QBR -- since all I need is 2 eyes , an objective attitude , and not to mention yards and TDs

Texans / Chiefs
Davis Mills QBR 95.9 ; 2 TDs incidentally
Mahomes QBR 125.7 336 yards; 2 TDs

Steelers / Panthers
Darnold QBR 119.4 225 yards 1 TD
Trubisky 108.9 QBR 179 yards

Jets/Lions
Zak Wilson QBR 99.9 317 yards 2 TDs 1 int
Jared Goff QBR 95 252 yards 1 TD

People use advanced stats for other positions because it is the only way to counter the false narrative that Jones is this good QB who is being held back to his receivers or oline play.

I think you are confusing QBR with Passer Rating.  It is impossible to score higher than 100 on QBR because it is a 0-100 scale. 

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 09:23:59 AMThe reason to move on IMO will be impacted by whether the front office has identified a QB in next spring's draft they want to target.

I think it will be governed by what they decide their limit is and what another team will offer.  They have too many holes to fill, and extensions for some of their player to negotiate, to blow too much of the budget on him.  Or Barkley.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 08:59:47 AMHe did what he had to do to win managing the game.  Giants formula for winning is with their running game, not turning over the ball and playing great defense.

And yet 94%, 91 out of 97 yards, of the yards on their best drive of the year were through the air.  And the second longest drive of the season happened with Barkley in the blue tent and not on the field. 

And that 'great' defense is 26th in yards allowed and 14th in points allowed.  The latter stat, which is the that really counts in my eyes is good, but I wouldn't call it great.

But to be fair, Barkley was literally a whirling dervish on that final drive.  After those 3 whirling runs I was yelling at the TV, "you've got them set up, go play action!!!"

Quote from: T200 on December 19, 2022, 08:30:17 AMThey won. With Jones as QB and without a stacked team.

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Some of you would be complaining after a SB win.     

Ummm, 2011.  Ed and I were nearly run off the board for being optimistic through that playoff run.  In fairness, it was different folks back then doing the running.

97 yard TD drive with 91 yards of it on passes.  Just sayin'.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 18, 2022, 05:30:53 PMIs this the Dak throw you were referring to?

https://twitter.com/KevinGraySports/status/1604574804228587522

No, I meant the deflected INT in OT that was returned for a game-winning TD.  I don't have a link - I saw it on Redzone.

Quote from: Fletch on December 18, 2022, 01:35:36 PMI'm watching nfl network at the gym and for those who don't k is just show clips of games happening right now.

We should start a running thread of throws NFl QBs can make that Daniel Jones can't . So far I have seen dak prescott and Darnold of all things not to mention Jared Goff as well.

A fourth year qb the giants have which half the fan base is in love with and wants extended . Boggles the mind

The Cowboys just lost against the Jags in OT on a Dak INT.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 18, 2022, 11:34:32 AMWow! That's interesting. Looks like you saw one being the highest and you ranked them instead of scaling them. Ok, that's cool.

To be fair, you said to rank them, not grade them.

"An old woman walked up and tied her old mule to the hitching post.
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He looked at the woman and laughed,
"Hey old woman, have you ever danced?"
The woman looked up at the gunslinger and said, "No ... I never did dance ... Never really wanted to"
A crowd has gathered as the young gunslinger grinned and said, "Well you old bag, you're gonna dance now!", and started shooting at the old woman's feet.
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When his last bullet was fired, the gunslinger, still laughing, holstered his gun and turned around to go back into the saloon.
The old woman turned to her pack mule, pulled out a double-barrelled shotgun and cocked both hammers. The loud clicks carried clearly through the desert air, and the crowd immediately stopped laughing.
The gunslinger heard the sounds too, and turned around very slowly. The silence was almost deafening. The crowd watched tensely as he stared at the woman and the large gaping holes of those twin barrels.
The barrels of the shotgun never wavered in her hands as she quietly said, "Son, have you ever kissed a mule's ass?"
The gunslinger swallowed hard and said, "No m'am, but I've always wanted too"

Quote from: kingm56 on December 17, 2022, 11:16:48 AMI can provide links to SEVERAL post over this season where those of us who believe DJ is #12 to #20 QB had good, or great games; in contrast, I've never seem a post from the "pro Jones" group criticizing him.  Thus, the notion of naturality is humorous and not taken seriously.

I also find it odd you believe posting objectionable data to support ones position is negative.  If you review the Jones threads, there are few "JONES SUCKS" posts. Instead, there are 'I disagree, his the objectionable data that supports my position type posts.'  The latter should be viewed as a positive on a board that claims to consist of the most 'informed fans.' You have to risk offending, and being offended, in order to gain true knowledge...

I also find it houmous that it's considered positive to attack our OL and WRs, as long as you're defending Jones.

You kind of just proved my point.