1) Should Schoen be fired for passing on a good quarterback?
2) Would you say that QBs perform differently in different situations and the Giants offense minus Nabers would have made it difficult to draft and develop a QB (who wasn't at least an elite prospect)?
3) Would Jones performing very well, give Schoen and company a pass on one of the 3 later drafted QBs doing well?
I predict that if JJ McCarthy goes on to have an excellent career, the pro-Jones camp will attribute it to the team around him while the anti-Jones camp will put Schoen in the crosshairs for it, with the occasional mention of a Mara ultimatum.
1) No
2) No
3) No
Playing the hindsight game is pointless, IMO. Decisions are made with as much information that is available at that time. He made what he thought were the best choices for this team given the many circumstances. He, and we as fans, will live with those decisions. Anybody can sit back and second-guess and we all can sit behind our keyboards with zero pressure and say what we would do. But put us in the spotlight and on the hot seat and things look a lot different.
What's done is done. We press forward and move on.
If one of the three QBs that Schoen (and Mara) passed on has an outstanding season, here's what's going to happen here at the BBH:
- There will be a litany of "I told you so" threads from folks who wanted to move on from Jones
- There will be a ton of pushback from Jones supporters saying, "It's only one season. Daniel had a great 2022 and won a playoff game."
- There will be the same regurgitated arguments for and against Jones. The horse will be resuscitated to only be beaten to death again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 09:02:43 AMIf one of the three QBs that Schoen (and Mara) passed on has an outstanding season, here's what's going to happen here at the BBH:
- There will be a litany of "I told you so" threads from folks who wanted to move on from Jones
- There will be a ton of pushback from Jones supporters saying, "It's only one season. Daniel had a great 2022 and won a playoff game."
- There will be the same regurgitated arguments for and against Jones. The horse will be resuscitated to only be beaten to death again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Painful isn't it?
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 09:02:43 AM1) No
2) No
3) No
Playing the hindsight game is pointless, IMO. Decisions are made with as much information that is available at that time. He made what he thought were the best choices for this team given the many circumstances. He, and we as fans, will live with those decisions. Anybody can sit back and second-guess and we all can sit behind our keyboards with zero pressure and say what we would do. But put us in the spotlight and on the hot seat and things look a lot different.
What's done is done. We press forward and move on.
If one of the three QBs that Schoen (and Mara) passed on has an outstanding season, here's what's going to happen here at the BBH:
- There will be a litany of "I told you so" threads from folks who wanted to move on from Jones
- There will be a ton of pushback from Jones supporters saying, "It's only one season. Daniel had a great 2022 and won a playoff game."
- There will be the same regurgitated arguments for and against Jones. The horse will be resuscitated to only be beaten to death again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Thankfully this is Jones' final season and we can start to move forward next year. I think the excitement of finding an actual lethal QB will have fans not so worried about what we missed but what we can have for ourselves.
Quote from: TONKA56 on May 01, 2024, 08:55:29 AMI predict that if JJ McCarthy goes on to have an excellent career, the pro-Jones camp will attribute it to the team around him while the anti-Jones camp will put Schoen in the crosshairs for it, with the occasional mention of a Mara ultimatum.
I don't think that will be the case. I assume you put me in the "pro-Jones" camp. I believe even with disparate support, we can get a sense of how good another QB is. I don't even think JJ (a prospect I liked) needs to be better than Jones to question passing on him. There is the issue of the cheap rookie contract that comes with JJ that would have helped the Giants salary cap.
In my opinion, passing on the three QBs comes with significant risk for Schoen and the company. I have to think that they are banking on Jones having a comeback (or failing that being in a position to acquire his replacement next offseason) or they truly don't see the 3 prospects available to them as being anything special.
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 09:02:43 AM1) No
2) No
3) No
Playing the hindsight game is pointless, IMO. Decisions are made with as much information that is available at that time. He made what he thought were the best choices for this team given the many circumstances. He, and we as fans, will live with those decisions. Anybody can sit back and second-guess and we all can sit behind our keyboards with zero pressure and say what we would do. But put us in the spotlight and on the hot seat and things look a lot different.
What's done is done. We press forward and move on.
If one of the three QBs that Schoen (and Mara) passed on has an outstanding season, here's what's going to happen here at the BBH:
- There will be a litany of "I told you so" threads from folks who wanted to move on from Jones
- There will be a ton of pushback from Jones supporters saying, "It's only one season. Daniel had a great 2022 and won a playoff game."
- There will be the same regurgitated arguments for and against Jones. The horse will be resuscitated to only be beaten to death again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Tim,
I can't disagree with your sentiment. I will say, though, if you don't like being second-guessed, being an NFL GM (or head coach) is the wrong career choice. Being an armchair GM/HC/QB is part of the fun of being a fan.
There is no guarantee that any of those quarterbacks, even if they demonstrate "success" on their current teams, would accomplish the same with the Giants.
You want the QB, you lose the WR. Slayton remains your #1 for better or worse. The talk about everything else remains the same.
So, it comes down to the same old argument. Is it one of the QBs available at pick six (NOTE: not just McCarthy) or is it Nabers?
You've got your chocolate in my peanut butter! No!!! You've got your peanut butter all over my chocolate!
And, as the legendary Chris Allen would say ...
"And the beat goes on!!!"
Goodnight Gracie!
Peace!
P.S. Joe Schoen revealed his draft strategy and went with plan 1B (Nabers) after taking a crack at 1A (Trading up with NE for pick 3). I think his intent was clear regarding Jones' replacement vs. giving him a real receiver plus fixing the offensive line this off-season.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:10:20 AMI don't think that will be the case. I assume you put me in the "pro-Jones" camp. I believe even with disparate support, we can get a sense of how good another QB is.
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Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:12:21 AMTim,
I can't disagree with your sentiment. I will say, though, if you don't like being second-guessed, being an NFL GM (or head coach) is the wrong career choice. Being an armchair GM/HC/QB is part of the fun of being a fan.
As a fan, and in general, I try not to engage in it. It's self-defeatist, in my opinion.
I'm pretty sure all GMs and coaches know being second-guessed by fans and the media are a part of the job. They expect it and it probably doesn't phase them.
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 09:15:53 AM:what: :what: :o :o :o :hmm: :hmm:
I will admit that some of that is assuming that Jones is healthy and will get a chance to operate in at least a minimally supportive NFL quarterback environment this season. Plus, we have 2022, where DJ did operate in a less-than-ideal, but at least not dysfunctional (like 2023) environment. Much like Schoen and Daboll were able to evaluate Jones enough in 2022 to give him his big contract.
Quote from: kartanoman on May 01, 2024, 09:15:08 AMP.S. Joe Schoen revealed his draft strategy and went with plan 1B (Nabers) after taking a crack at 1A (Trading up with NE for pick 3). I think his intent was clear regarding Jones' replacement vs. giving him a real receiver plus fixing the offensive line this off-season.
100% this.
I also wanted to get a replacement for Jones but my caveat was that it had to be someone Schoen and Daboll had the utmost confidence in that he could be the franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. They made a play for him and it didn't work. And I'm 100% OK with how the draft shook out for us.
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 09:19:06 AMAs a fan, and in general, I try not to engage in it. It's self-defeatist, in my opinion.
I'm pretty sure all GMs and coaches know being second-guessed by fans and the media are a part of the job. They expect it and it probably doesn't phase them.
Tim,
I will confess I like to play armchair GM (and occasional HC). Team-building just fascinates me. Although I have my ideas of what I would do, I tend not to second-guess the actual GM or HC because I know they make their decisions wth far more information than I do; plus, they know their profession better than I do. I think all of us do give in to the second-guessing temptation when dealing with GMs like Gettleman and HCs like Joe Judge.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:19:32 AMI will admit that some of that is assuming that Jones is healthy and will get a chance to operate in at least a minimally supportive NFL quarterback environment this season. Plus, we have 2022, where DJ did operate in a less-than-ideal, but at least not dysfunctional (like 2023) environment. Much like Schoen and Daboll were able to evaluate Jones enough in 2022 to give him his big contract.
I have been saying this every single year Jones has been in the league: he can be evaluated despite what support he has or doesn't have around him. I got a lot of pushback from you and others saying that it was too difficult to evaluate him because of the lack of quality NFL support.
Seems to me the ability to evaluate a player is subjective.
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 09:27:08 AMI have been saying this every single year Jones has been in the league: he can be evaluated despite what support he has or doesn't have around him. I got a lot of pushback from you and others saying that it was too difficult to evaluate him because of the lack of quality NFL support.
Seems to me the ability to evaluate a player is subjective.
Tim,
I think there is a nuance on this issue. In a dysfunctional environment, every, or nearly every, QB will look bad. In a poor environment, people should factor in the poor environment (many do not).
More importantly, the ability to properly evaluate a quarterback is really the purview of that quarterback's coaching staff. As Daboll once said, people don't know the play calls. An apparent open receiver may be meaningless because they ran the wrong route. The fact of the matter is that we can get a sense of QB play by watching the games (or better yet, reviewing the all-22 with an informed eye), but no one outside the organization can evaluate with a strong degree of certainty (lacking the play calls and the QB's instructions).
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 09:27:08 AMI have been saying this every single year Jones has been in the league: he can be evaluated despite what support he has or doesn't have around him. I got a lot of pushback from you and others saying that it was too difficult to evaluate him because of the lack of quality NFL support.
Seems to me the ability to evaluate a player is subjective.
I really had an awakening when I saw DeVito's pocket awareness vs Jones.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:30:59 AMTim,
I think there is a nuance on this issue. In a dysfunctional environment, every, or nearly every, QB will look bad. In a poor environment, people should factor in the poor environment (many do not).
More importantly, the ability to properly evaluate a quarterback is really the purview of that quarterback's coaching staff. As Daboll once said, people don't know the play calls. An apparent open receiver may be meaningless because they ran the wrong route. The fact of the matter is that we can get a sense of QB play by watching the games (or better yet, reviewing the all-22 with an informed eye), but no one outside the organization can evaluate with a strong degree of certainty (lacking the play calls and the QB's instructions).
And this is where we have and continue to disagree. No need to rehash it. Just thought it was curious that you said "I believe even with disparate support, we can get a sense of how good another QB is", which is exactly why I and others have been saying.
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 09:34:42 AMAnd this is where we have and continue to disagree. No need to rehash it. Just thought it was curious that you said "I believe even with disparate support, we can get a sense of how good another QB is", which is exactly why I and others have been saying.
Tim,
You know I choose my words carefully. Do you think "a sense" is the same as knowing? When I use the words "a sense," one is less than certain. When one is less than certain, it should limit the strength of one's statements. I have always held the position that we can't be certain about DJ being a bust and that there is still some potential (admittedly a bit of a long shot at this point) that he can even prove to be a franchise QB.
If Jones stinks as he is very likely to do, and JJ goes on to have a great season with Minnesota (as he is also likely to have with Jefferson over there) Schoen's seat gets a little hotter but I'm not sure they fire him.
What's interesting to me is it would almost be a more fireable offense if the Giants won 7-8 games next year than it would be if they won 3. If they end up with one of the top 2 or 3 picks in the draft next season he can take his QB and the Giants are set for a while (presuming that QB doesn't also stink which if he does he's fired soon anyway) But if they win 7 games and pick around 9 or 10 in the draft and are no longer in a position to take a QB, when he was in prime position to take one this year, and then JJ looks good in Minnesota...that to me is worse. I could see Mara and Co. asking him what the hell are we supposed to do now? And in this scenario... there's not a really good answer to that question.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:38:33 AMTim,
You know I choose my words carefully. Do you think "a sense" is the same as knowing? When I use the words "a sense," one is less than certain. When one is less than certain, it should limit the strength of one's statements. I have always held the position that we can't be certain about DJ being a bust and that there is still some potential (admittedly a bit of a long shot at this point) that he can even prove to be a franchise QB.
Speaking strictly about *our* conversations, I never said he was a bust but I also said that he has not shown any traces or tendencies of being a franchise QB. He's the very definition of an average QB who is not capable of putting his team on his back and dragging them to a victory. He can get 7-9 wins but doesn't offer anything to get 12-15. He is a step down from Ryan Tannehill but with legs.
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 09:48:00 AMSpeaking strictly about *our* conversations, I never said he was a bust but I also said that he has not shown any traces or tendencies of being a franchise QB. He's the very definition of an average QB who is not capable of putting his team on his back and dragging them to a victory. He can get 7-9 wins but doesn't offer anything to get 12-15. He is a step down from Ryan Tannehill but with legs.
I guess that is where we differ. I see examples of DJs being capable of being franchise QB. I think his performance against the Vikings and even his record-setting performance against the Cards last season showed that he can be that franchise QB. Of course, showing flashes and doing it consistently are two separate things. Everyone sees things a bit differently, and there is nothing wrong with that.
I don't think passing on McCarthy, Penix, or Nix will cost Schoen his job if they perform well in year 1. Of course, their careers are highly unlikely to be defined by their first season in the NFL (whether good or bad)--so firing a GM off such performance would seem equally misguided to me.
Wan'Dale and Hyatt are talented receivers. Slayton is a consummate professional and a good hand. That, in my mind, would have provided a rookie QB a decent enough foundation for their first year. This also ignores entirely the TE position and potential contributions from the new running backs.
Unless Jones plays well enough to prove he is the long-term solution at QB (which I don't even know is possible in light of his health concerns), I don't think it matters. A positive season from Jones would be just that and no more.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:52:58 AMI guess that is where we differ. I see examples of DJs being capable of being franchise QB. I think his performance against the Vikings and even his record-setting performance against the Cards last season showed that he can be that franchise QB. Of course, showing flashes and doing it consistently are two separate things. Everyone sees things a bit differently, and there is nothing wrong with that.
I think that's the difference between being a franchise QB and not.
Quote from: Gmo11 on May 01, 2024, 09:45:17 AMI could see Mara and Co. asking him what the hell are we supposed to do now? And in this scenario... there's not a really good answer to that question.
That's interesting considering a good portion of our forum routinely insist that the Maras give "you will work to support Daniel Jones" ultimatums to both the head coach and general manager.
Like.everything it depends
What happens when we draft a rookie QB next year and because of the pieces we put together now that rookie QB does.very good
What rookie would do good without a number 1 WR
Quote from: TONKA56 on May 01, 2024, 09:05:38 AMPainful isn't it?
It certainly is, and largely why I pretty much stay out of the many Daniel Jones debates.
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 09:27:08 AMI have been saying this every single year Jones has been in the league: he can be evaluated despite what support he has or doesn't have around him. I got a lot of pushback from you and others saying that it was too difficult to evaluate him because of the lack of quality NFL support.
Seems to me the ability to evaluate a player is subjective.
Simply evaluate jones on the clean pocket plays and they exist
-does not take chances down field
-cannot hit cross routes in stride
-good on hitting passes off the cut
-checks down underneath to his security blanket (maybe why they were comfortable letting him go)
Maybe this can be of some help in answering the question.
I remember a few years ago, Joe Schoen said in an interview that he was persuaded once to pass on a player that he really wanted in the draft, and that player turned out to have an excellent career, and he will never do that again.
JJ, Penix, and Nix were not the QB's he wanted, so he passed on them, and I agree with him. JJ and Nix do not have the arm talent that Daniel Jones possesses, plus all three of them are smaller than he is as well.
WR Malik Nabers is an elite prospect, and if he consistently puts up 1,000-1,500-yard seasons, it won't matter what the other QB's do because they nailed the pick.
Schoen addressed the right side of the offensive line in FA, and they have an elite pass rusher in Burns to go along with Thibodeaux.
If the line holds up, and Nabers is the player who Schoen and Daboll believe he is, Daniel Jones is going to have a big year.
And as Schoen said, Daniel is under contract for three more years, and if he comes through this year, and the Giants start winning again, many fans will be grateful that they stuck with DJ and paired him up with Nabers.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 01, 2024, 10:32:20 AMMaybe this can be of some help in answering the question.
I remember a few years ago, Joe Schoen said in an interview that he was persuaded once to pass on a player that he really wanted in the draft, and that player turned out to have an excellent career, and he will never do that again.
JJ, Penix, and Nix were not the QB's he wanted, so he passed on them, and I agree with him. JJ and Nix do not have the arm talent that Daniel Jones possesses, plus all three of them are smaller than he is as well.
WR Malik Nabers is an elite prospect, and if he consistently puts up 1,000-1,500-yard seasons, it won't matter what the other QB's do because they nailed the pick.
Schoen addressed the right side of the offensive line in FA, and they have an elite pass rusher in Burns to go along with Thibodeaux.
If the line holds up, and Nabers is the player who Schoen and Daboll believe he is, Daniel Jones is going to have a big year.
And as Schoen said, Daniel is under contract for three more years, and if he comes through this year, and the Giants start winning again, many fans will be grateful that they stuck with DJ and paired him up with Nabers.
So then what is your baseline expectation for Jones this season?
What will be a good season for you? Is that 4,000 yards 20 tds and 5 int or what?
You obviously think Jones will ascend, so was does that look like in production?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 01, 2024, 10:41:32 AMSo then what is your baseline expectation for Jones this season?
What will be a good season for you? Is that 4,000 yards 20 tds and 5 int or what?
You obviously think Jones will ascend, so was does that look like in production?
I am not a big fan of just statistical measures to say what is a successful season (as that removes context), but I will offer up what I would consider a successful season by Jones:
1) No more than two games lost to injury, ideally less
2) A QB rating of at least 95
3) A QBR of at least 60
4) As I mentioned previously, I would like to see his YPA hit 7.0 or better
I am not saying Jones will hit these marks, as I can't predict the future. I do think there is a reasonable chance he will, but I am not going to go far as to say he is favored to do so.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 01, 2024, 10:41:32 AMSo then what is your baseline expectation for Jones this season?
What will be a good season for you? Is that 4,000 yards 20 tds and 5 int or what?
You obviously think Jones will ascend, so was does that look like in production?
Good question, and thanks for asking it in a respectful and civil manner, that meant a lot.
Considering in 2022 he threw for 3,200 yards and rushed for 700, while only playing in 16 games and not the 17th one as they had already clinched the playoff spot.
I think with the addition of Nabers, and Robinson and Hyatt ascending, combined with them addressing the right side of the line, I'm looking for production something like this:
3,500-4,000 Passing Yards
400-500 Rushing Yards
66%
22-30 TD's
10-12 Int
93.0-98.0 RTG
60.0 QBR
Something along those lines, with the Giants have a winning record.
At least this is what I am hoping for, will it happen? We will just have to see how the season transpires.
and you? What do you think he puts up this year?
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 10:46:54 AMI am not a big fan of just statistical measures to say what is a successful season (as that removes context), but I will offer up what I would consider a successful season by Jones:
1) No more than two games lost to injury, ideally less
2) A QB rating of at least 95
3) A QBR of at least 60
4) As I mentioned previously, I would like to see his YPA hit 7.0 or better
I am not saying Jones will hit these marks, as I can't predict the future. I do think there is a reasonable chance he will, but I am not going to go far as to say he is favored to do so.
He could have a high qb rating, and qbr but still end up with 3000 yards, 12 tds and 5 ints and that would be successful to you?
Our roster is our roster. Free agency/draft season we get to play at being GM and armchair critics. From Rookie Mini Camp onwards we should embrace being fans again. I intend to support every player on our roster and hope they succeed, irrespective of any personal reservations. Come on Daniel Jones, Evan Neal et al. Play like Giants!
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 01, 2024, 10:55:06 AMHe could have a high qb rating, and qbr but still end up with 3000 yards, 12 tds and 5 ints and that would be successful to you?
With a minimum of at least 15 games, those numbers seem unlikely. Still, I can't answer that question without knowing why, despite being in the top 10 when throwing the ball, the team elected to have Jones throw so few passes.
Quote from: T200 on May 01, 2024, 10:00:49 AMI think that's the difference between being a franchise QB and not.
I wouldn't use those two examples either. Arizona was pitiful and as it turned out, picked a few spots before the Giants. He played well in the win against Minnesota. At the time I had no doubt the Giants would win that game; they were the better team. Minnesota's defense was abysmal. No mention of the stinker the following week?
To answer the OP - not necessarily. Who's to say these QBs would be good here?
Trading for Eli looked bad at first when SD got Shawne Merriman as part of the deal. After a couple of years, Merriman's just a footnote.
Hopefully its DJ having an equally good year behind a revamped OL and Pass catching game.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 08:51:22 AM1) Should Schoen be fired for passing on a good quarterback?
2) Would you say that QBs perform differently in different situations and the Giants offense minus Nabers would have made it difficult to draft and develop a QB (who wasn't at least an elite prospect)?
3) Would Jones performing very well, give Schoen and company a pass on one of the 3 later drafted QBs doing well?
2 And 3. theres no empirical evidence that early 1st round qb's shake out. especially guys who were REALLY overdrafted such as in this draft.
2, because as you stated, different guys respond different to different situations. and not having nabers (and especially having our core before nabers), would be so detrimental to any of their growths.
3, because if jones plays well...then we already have our guy, AND we got a blue chip WR. one of the scenarios i had been thinking about (although probably unlikely), would be WHAT IF jones actually goes 4k/25/12 this year, and we have a winning record? then what? do you still cut him end of the year? keep him? then what do you do with your 1st round qb? try to trade him for a mid round pick in 2 years?
i think we did the right thing, all things considered.
Quote from: TONKA56 on May 01, 2024, 09:31:10 AMI really had an awakening when I saw DeVito's pocket awareness vs Jones.
keep in mind, we had a healthy thomas and mostly stabilized line by that point. the games jones played in the oline was in shambles and performing horribly. they got marginally better as the year went on and got relatively healthy. i believe jones would have looked better at that time as a result of that, just as devito and tyrod looked more competent at times.
Quote from: Gmo11 on May 01, 2024, 09:45:17 AMIf Jones stinks as he is very likely to do, and JJ goes on to have a great season with Minnesota (as he is also likely to have with Jefferson over there) Schoen's seat gets a little hotter but I'm not sure they fire him.
What's interesting to me is it would almost be a more fireable offense if the Giants won 7-8 games next year than it would be if they won 3. If they end up with one of the top 2 or 3 picks in the draft next season he can take his QB and the Giants are set for a while (presuming that QB doesn't also stink which if he does he's fired soon anyway) But if they win 7 games and pick around 9 or 10 in the draft and are no longer in a position to take a QB, when he was in prime position to take one this year, and then JJ looks good in Minnesota...that to me is worse. I could see Mara and Co. asking him what the hell are we supposed to do now? And in this scenario... there's not a really good answer to that question.
i think if it comes down to it, and we MUST make a move up next year, its a better year to do it than it has been in a long time. we have some CORE players. we have 2 young stud pass rushers locked up, an elite dt locked up, a semi elite mlb locked up, a number one corner locked up, a blue chip wr locked up, a franchise LT locked up. hopefully a franchise C locked up.
With all that being said, if there was ever a year in which i could see us trading up with our 1st round, and following 1st round pick, it would be the 2025 draft. not saying we are "a qb away", but we for the first time in a long time have a lot of core, normally high draft capital guys locked up.
Quote from: B1GBLUE on May 03, 2024, 11:05:33 AMi think if it comes down to it, and we MUST make a move up next year, its a better year to do it than it has been in a long time. we have some CORE players. we have 2 young stud pass rushers locked up, an elite dt locked up, a semi elite mlb locked up, a number one corner locked up, a blue chip wr locked up, a franchise LT locked up. hopefully a franchise C locked up.
With all that being said, if there was ever a year in which i could see us trading up with our 1st round, and following 1st round pick, it would be the 2025 draft. not saying we are "a qb away", but we for the first time in a long time have a lot of core, normally high draft capital guys locked up.
Another point I heard from some talking head is that with so many QBs taken high in the draft this year there may be less competition for QBs in next year's draft, if the Giants go looking.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 03, 2024, 11:31:30 AMAnother point I heard from some talking head is that with so many QBs taken high in the draft this year there may be less competition for QBs in next year's draft, if the Giants go looking.
6 QB needy teams were taken off the board
Likely needy teams (that the Giants would be in competition for) next year:
Raiders
Jets
Maybe the Titans
Maybe the Saints
Maybe the Seahawks