We might offer him and half his remaining contract in cash....or even pay it completely. We have to pay his guaranteed money anyway stay or go.
Maybe the secret plan is to have Lock and DeVito fight it out after Jones has left for greener pastures. I don't think Jones temeperment is well suited to NY. He might be happier and thrive elsewhere
I know this sounds whacky, but it makes sense. There is little likelihood Jones will be brought back next year anyway. We might even get a late draft pick in the deal.
Is this a possibility? I could actually see Jerry Jones wanting to put pressure on DAK and have Jones be there to step in if DAK gets hurt.
if someone wants DJ they can wait to see if we cut him. no one wants that $40 mil. tab.
"Prepping" as you put it, so he will then have greater trade value? C'mon, get real for a change.
Cheers!
Quote from: President Rick on May 28, 2024, 08:13:24 AMif someone wants DJ they can wait to see if we cut him. no one wants that $40 mil. tab.
The Giants could pick up Half or most of that tab
They have to pay the guaranteed money out one way or another
on the other hand they have 2 relatively inexpensive but capable QBs riding the pine
this route might at least gain a late round draft choice or another player in exchange
Do I think it will happen- NO. Not our style
Quote from: BluesCruz on May 28, 2024, 02:06:24 PMThe Giants could pick up Half or most of that tab
They have to pay the guaranteed money out one way or another
on the other hand they have 2 relatively inexpensive but capable QBs riding the pine
this route might at least gain a late round draft choice or another player in exchange
Do I think it will happen- NO. Not our style
So the Giants would be paying Jones to play for another team? I have that as...unreasonable.
Quote from: Gmo11 on May 28, 2024, 02:39:14 PMSo the Giants would be paying Jones to play for another team? I have that as...unreasonable.
if he plays like last year it will be a blessing
I rarely post but I have to ask, don't you get tired of the endless Jones bash and Devito
coronation.
Quote from: FL GMAN on May 28, 2024, 06:24:34 PMI rarely post but I have to ask, don't you get tired of the endless Jones bash and Devito
coronation.
Quote from: BluesCruz on May 28, 2024, 02:06:24 PMDo I think it will happen- NO.
Why create the thread then?
Just curious.
The only way Giants trade DJ is if they draft a "ringer", or think they have one. DJ's the man until a proven replacement is in hand. Sooo...might as well root for DJ to have a good (even great) year this coming season, cuz he ain't going anywhere without a better replacement...and we don't have one
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 29, 2024, 01:02:22 PMThe only way Giants trade DJ is if they draft a "ringer", or think they have one. DJ's the man until a proven replacement is in hand. Sooo...might as well root for DJ to have a good (even great) year this coming season, cuz he ain't going anywhere without a better replacement...and we don't have one
All true
However I'm racking my mind to recall a QB who had a mediocre career and was trending downward after 5 yrs in the league, then turned it around. Maybe Geno Smith
Can Daniel Jones follow in Geno's footsteps. Maybe but I doubt it. And we had Geno on the roster
Im fairly certain we have seen Jones as he truly is..... We made a mistake. Admit it, rectify it. No one should be given 5 years of failure and then
We let Geno walk after the whole Eli fiasco, and let the HC- Ben MacAdoo, who had recently taken us to 11-5 go instead. now it appears Tommy DeVito will be lost like Geno was.
I can see another conundrum coming where Jones does not improve and another HC walks the plank for his QB decisions.
I hope I'm wrong. I truly want to see us back in the hunt this year.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 28, 2024, 07:19:51 PMWhy create the thread then?
Just curious.
Why? It wouldn't be hard to guess, but would it really matter? On the other hand, it might be more interesting to think about prepping Linguini with Clam Sauce so it tastes more like Spaghetti Bolognaise.
Cheers!
Quote from: BluesCruz on May 29, 2024, 03:35:53 PMAll true
However I'm racking my mind to recall a QB who had a mediocre career and was trending downward after 5 yrs in the league, then turned it around. Maybe Geno Smith
Can Daniel Jones follow in Geno's footsteps. Maybe but I doubt it. And we had Geno on the roster
Im fairly certain we have seen Jones as he truly is..... We made a mistake. Admit it, rectify it. No one should be given 5 years of failure and then
We let Geno walk after the whole Eli fiasco, and let the HC- Ben MacAdoo, who had recently taken us to 11-5 go instead. now it appears Tommy DeVito will be lost like Geno was.
I can see another conundrum coming where Jones does not improve and another HC walks the plank for his QB decisions.
I hope I'm wrong. I truly want to see us back in the hunt this year.
Jones did not have five years of failure. He had a stellar rookie season throwing for 23 TDs and rose to 5th in the league in QBR until his offense disintegrated around him. In 2022, he led his team to a road playoff victory. The other years were marred by injuries as well as pathetic OL play and a very mediocre WR crew.
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That's not a thought. It's a wish.
Quote from: todge on May 29, 2024, 05:33:56 PMJones did not have five years of failure. He had a stellar rookie season throwing for 23 TDs and rose to 5th in the league in QBR until his offense disintegrated around him. In 2022, he led his team to a road playoff victory. The other years were marred by injuries as well as pathetic OL play and a very mediocre WR crew.
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Roughly where would you rank Jones among NFL starters right now, assuming you're ranking everyone in a vacuum and just going off of pure ability/talent?
Championships are a team accomplishment.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 30, 2024, 05:50:42 AMChampionships are a team accomplishment.
Statistics are for losers
The only one that counts is wins vs losses
Also we seem to be wearing out Jaime Gillian's right leg
Lots of 3 and outs. I'd love to see punt vs punt and time of possession stats for the jones years
It seemed Devito and Taylor moved the same team better
I don't think there is a lot of trade demand for Jones. Whereas Taylor and DeVito did/will have no shortage of takers
Hopefully this is the make or break jones year
If he fails again there has to be a change
Quote from: BluesCruz on May 30, 2024, 08:41:50 AMStatistics are for losers
The only one that counts is wins vs losses
Also we seem to be wearing out Jaime Gillian's right leg
Lots of 3 and outs. I'd love to see punt vs punt and time of possession stats for the jones years
It seemed Devito and Taylor moved the same team better
I don't think there is a lot of trade demand for Jones. Whereas Taylor and DeVito did/will have no shortage of takers
Hopefully this is the make or break jones year
If he fails again there has to be a change
Cognitive bias is for losers. Put Eli Manning in the same situation that Jones has had to face from that age in his first 60 games and he might very well fair just as worse. When the Oline was bad for Eli in 2013 he struggled until Gilbride changed the Offense. That was after 9 years of experience. As for Championships, it remains to be seen with DJ.
Manning also had 14 more total turnovers than Jones his first 4 years, in fewer games.
This has been a very bad team during the time Daniel Jones has been under center, except in 2022 when the Defense was fantastic as the Giants won six of their first seven to later make the playoffs. Daniel Jones was the reason they won the playoff game on the road in Minnesota, playing a near perfect game and leading the team in rushing and passing. Unfortunately many fans had already decided in the back half of the season that he wasn't the guy. Daboll seems to think otherwise.
The stats do lie though. Phil Simms would often say the stats in the NFL lie and the QBs get too much credit and too much blame for winning and losing. Manning could look lost, confused - even pathetic at times and then suddenly he would figure some things out and make every play necessary to beat teams. We all saw it. All of it. Jones hasn't taken that step yet in my opinion. Unlike others, I think he can and will.
Quote from: bamagiantfan on May 30, 2024, 10:40:14 AMThe stats do lie though. Phil Simms would often say the stats in the NFL lie and the QBs get too much credit and too much blame for winning and losing. Manning could look lost, confused - even pathetic at times and then suddenly he would figure some things out and make every play necessary to beat teams. We all saw it. All of it. Jones hasn't taken that step yet in my opinion. Unlike others, I think he can and will.
I think it all boils down to his explosives/big time throws. If he can elevate his game to even 15th in Explosives and BTTR this season we could really do some things.
Jones isn't a bad qb, and he's not a great one either but he could be good enough which is all we really need currently.
Quote from: BluesCruz on May 30, 2024, 08:41:50 AMStatistics are for losers
The only one that counts is wins vs losses
Also we seem to be wearing out Jaime Gillian's right leg
Lots of 3 and outs. I'd love to see punt vs punt and time of possession stats for the jones years
It seemed Devito and Taylor moved the same team better
I don't think there is a lot of trade demand for Jones. Whereas Taylor and DeVito did/will have no shortage of takers
Hopefully this is the make or break jones year
If he fails again there has to be a change
It wasn't the same team. The key was the early loss of Thomas due to a hamstring. His replacement Ezeudu was totally overmatched. It was also the debut of a rookie C. The level of competition was also a huge difference the first six games. Jones had less than 2 seconds on average to throw the ball before there was a jailbreak into the backfield. Even Aikman commented that DJ didn't have a chance. Later on the addition of Pugh and the return of Thomas stabilized the OL somewhat.
If DeVito and Taylor moved the team better as you claim, then why isn't Taylor starting this year? DeVito is hanging onto a roster spot by a shoelace. DeVito was ultimately benched in the Saints game because he was woefully unprepared - he was far more interested in signing autographs than spending time in the QB room.
Your last take that Taylor and DeVito are more in demand than Jones is a total head scratcher. As is your inference that both QBs are better than Jones.
Jones isn't being traded under any circumstances. So I'm pretty sure you can abandon that hope. This is and always will be a team game and a QB needs protection and weapons to thrive. Give those to Jones and you will see success.
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Quote from: BluesCruz on Today at 07:41:50 AM
Statistics are for losers
The only one that counts is wins vs losses
Also we seem to be wearing out Jaime Gillian's right leg
Lots of 3 and outs. I'd love to see punt vs punt and time of possession stats for the jones years
It seemed Devito and Taylor moved the same team better
I don't think there is a lot of trade demand for Jones. Whereas Taylor and DeVito did/will have no shortage of takers
Hopefully this is the make or break jones year
If he fails again there has to be a change
Speak for yourself, Friend. Of course, I suppose it might be thought that only reason the League bothers to accumulate all those silly numbers for losers is to keep our hands from playing in the Devil's Workshop. Naturally, a speed reader like you would simply skip to the final W/L as soon as you know what it is and assuming no one else does-"spoiler alert"
Still, if you don't mind joining in a "flight of fancy", it is kinda interesting to compare the career W/Ls among Eli, Tyrod, and DeVito simply because they share .500 in common:
W-L Cmpl% Rating
Eli- 117-117 60.3 84.1
Tyrod- 28-28 61.7 88.3
DeVito- 3-3 64.0 89.2
I am not suggesting that we should infer anything from involving such a desperate number of career starts except to wonder whether, if under more equal circumstances, chance, and chances, Tyrod or Tommy could ever be capable of matching Eli's- unimaginable at those times- Super Bowl successes?
So much for what any of us may predict, project, imply, or infer except for the obvious blue truth that this 2024 season is Daniel Jones's "make or break".
Cheers!
Quote from: bamagiantfan on May 30, 2024, 10:40:14 AMThe stats do lie though. Phil Simms would often say the stats in the NFL lie and the QBs get too much credit and too much blame for winning and losing. Manning could look lost, confused - even pathetic at times and then suddenly he would figure some things out and make every play necessary to beat teams. We all saw it. All of it. Jones hasn't taken that step yet in my opinion. Unlike others, I think he can and will.
Where's the stat line for heart and cojones? 8))
When the pressure's on and they needed a score, Eli didn't check down. Just sayin' 8))
Quote from: todge on May 30, 2024, 01:27:28 PMIt wasn't the same team. The key was the early loss of Thomas due to a hamstring. His replacement Ezeudu was totally overmatched. It was also the debut of a rookie C. The level of competition was also a huge difference the first six games. Jones had less than 2 seconds on average to throw the ball before there was a jailbreak into the backfield. Even Aikman commented that DJ didn't have a chance. Later on the addition of Pugh and the return of Thomas stabilized the OL somewhat.
If DeVito and Taylor moved the team better as you claim, then why isn't Taylor starting this year? DeVito is hanging onto a roster spot by a shoelace. DeVito was ultimately benched in the Saints game because he was woefully unprepared - he was far more interested in signing autographs than spending time in the QB room.
Your last take that Taylor and DeVito are more in demand than Jones is a total head scratcher. As is your inference that both QBs are better than Jones.
Jones isn't being traded under any circumstances. So I'm pretty sure you can abandon that hope. This is and always will be a team game and a QB needs protection and weapons to thrive. Give those to Jones and you will see success.
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Taylor wasn't resigned because he went elsewhere for more money. He is being paid as the top backup Qb in the league for a reason. His Big Time Throw rate was tops in the league last year and his adjusted EPA was top 15. He also threw the ball and connected deep almost 3 times the rate of Jones or Devito.
Was Taylor's play elite, no it wasn't but his play was significantly better than anything else we saw last year.
I would be over the moon if Jones replicated Taylor's stats/production last year over the course of this upcoming season.
In 1984 Bill Parcells said "if I'm gonna lose, [at least] I'm not gonna lose with those same guys." He was explaining why he'd added 20 new players to the roster and given the starting QB job to Phil Simms over Scott Brunner, who was traded away in the spring.
In his second year Parcells had already identified the guys who were most conspicuous in losing us games and moved on from them. He'd spent 1983 trying to be a conventional coach--an organization guy, the Maras' guy--and when it didn't work, he adjusted quickly.
It's time for Brian Daboll to make a similar adjustment: stop clinging to the starter John Mara likes and make a change. That way, if we lose again in '24, at least it won't be with the same quarterback who is already shell-shocked from all the sacks he's taken.
Am I making sense here? We seem to be trapped in an endless cycle of arguing over who is to blame for Daniel Jones' struggles. But eventually we reach a point where it doesn't matter whose fault it is that Jones is failing; what matters is that he is failing, that the failures make him an albatross around the team's collective neck, and the coach needs to change things up.
So while I don't expect Daboll to trade Jones or even give someone else the starting job, it will be an incredible relief if he does. And it will inspire within me a little more confidence in his leadership.
He's the best option starting out(DJ)...whether that really matters. The honeymoon is long over and is the guy by default paid big bucks.
If it goes south early, Giants have to be worried about his injury settlement, of course.
Aside from meandering all over the place, some of the dark corridors of logic included, is this not same old, same old palaver about a single issue, a single question which is simply whether or not Daniel Jones will be the Giants Quarterback next year in 2025? Beyond that, all speculation is bootless and nothing more than an exposition of bias, personal conceit, or both. Ne c'est pas?
Cheers!
Quote from: y_so_blu on May 30, 2024, 03:43:20 PMIn 1984 Bill Parcells said "if I'm gonna lose, [at least] I'm not gonna lose with those same guys." He was explaining why he'd added 20 new players to the roster and given the starting QB job to Phil Simms over Scott Brunner, who was traded away in the spring.
In his second year Parcells had already identified the guys who were most conspicuous in losing us games and moved on from them. He'd spent 1983 trying to be a conventional coach--an organization guy, the Maras' guy--and when it didn't work, he adjusted quickly.
It's time for Brian Daboll to make a similar adjustment: stop clinging to the starter John Mara likes and make a change. That way, if we lose again in '24, at least it won't be with the same quarterback who is already shell-shocked from all the sacks he's taken.
Am I making sense here? We seem to be trapped in an endless cycle of arguing over who is to blame for Daniel Jones' struggles. But eventually we reach a point where it doesn't matter whose fault it is that Jones is failing; what matters is that he is failing, that the failures make him an albatross around the team's collective neck, and the coach needs to change things up.
So while I don't expect Daboll to trade Jones or even give someone else the starting job, it will be an incredible relief if he does. And it will inspire within me a little more confidence in his leadership.
So, let me get this straight, you are advocating for Daboll and Schoen to trade Daniel Jones, their starting QB right now. Okay, so quick question for you, who are they going to trade him too? And what player are they going to get in return?
Secondly, you claim Daniel Jones is a failure. May I ask a question then? In 2022 when the Giants made the playoffs and won a game, with Daniel Jones as the starting QB, were you advocating back then that he was an albatross and a failure?
Just curious?
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 30, 2024, 05:50:42 AMChampionships are a team accomplishment.
Totally different eras. Rules changed materially. Can't compare stats as apples to apples from these two eras.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 30, 2024, 09:03:02 PMTotally different eras. Rules changed materially. Can't compare stats as apples to apples from these two eras.
Eli was Eli, regardless of eras. The Giants Offense was never explosive but Eli had better talent around him.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 30, 2024, 09:20:31 PMEli was Eli, regardless of eras. The Giants Offense was never explosive but Eli had better talent around him.
Ed,
I agree with you, and I'd also add that Eli played behind a top five offensive line his first five years in the league.
While he was still growing and learning.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 08:18:24 PMSo, let me get this straight, you are advocating for Daboll and Schoen to trade Daniel Jones, their starting QB right now. Okay, so quick question for you, who are they going to trade him too? And what player are they going to get in return?
Secondly, you claim Daniel Jones is a failure. May I ask a question then? In 2022 when the Giants made the playoffs and won a game, with Daniel Jones as the starting QB, were you advocating back then that he was an albatross and a failure?
Just curious?
He was saying teams normally don't double down or hold onto bad mistakes. If a qb doesn't work within a couple seasons they are gone and yet despite that we still have Daniel Jones.
49ers, CHI twice, Pittsburgh, the Jets twice, and so many more that have drafted a nonelite qb and then released them to start fresh. The Giants however being outdated are still clinging onto the same not so great player.
Doing the same thing over and over just to get the same result.
Also Jones Contract has universally been acknowledged as a bad deal along with the Giants attempts to select a new "guy".
I think Y was just saying please let's try something different besides what we've been doing over and over that has failed.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 30, 2024, 09:38:22 PMHe was saying teams normally don't double down or hold onto bad mistakes. If a qb doesn't work within a couple seasons they are gone and yet despite that we still have Daniel Jones.
49ers, CHI twice, Pittsburgh, the Jets twice, and so many more that have drafted a nonelite qb and then released them to start fresh. The Giants however being outdated are still clinging onto the same not so great player.
Doing the same thing over and over just to get the same result.
Also Jones Contract has universally been acknowledged as a bad deal along with the Giants attempts to select a new "guy".
I think Y was just saying please let's try something different besides what we've been doing over and over that has failed.
But Daniel Jones did work in his first season in 2019
24 TDs to 12 Int's in 13 games
He also worked again in 2022
3900 total yards 22 TD's 5 Int 93.2 RTG 60.6 QBR ranked top six
So, it hasn't been the same thing over and over again with the same results.
Plus making playoffs and a playoff win.
Daboll and Schoen made the right decision.
They drafted an elite WR and improved the O line a bit.
Quote from: todge on May 30, 2024, 01:27:28 PMIt wasn't the same team. The key was the early loss of Thomas due to a hamstring. His replacement Ezeudu was totally overmatched. It was also the debut of a rookie C. The level of competition was also a huge difference the first six games. Jones had less than 2 seconds on average to throw the ball before there was a jailbreak into the backfield. Even Aikman commented that DJ didn't have a chance. Later on the addition of Pugh and the return of Thomas stabilized the OL somewhat.
If DeVito and Taylor moved the team better as you claim, then why isn't Taylor starting this year? DeVito is hanging onto a roster spot by a shoelace. DeVito was ultimately benched in the Saints game because he was woefully unprepared - he was far more interested in signing autographs than spending time in the QB room.
Your last take that Taylor and DeVito are more in demand than Jones is a total head scratcher. As is your inference that both QBs are better than Jones.
Jones isn't being traded under any circumstances. So I'm pretty sure you can abandon that hope. This is and always will be a team game and a QB needs protection and weapons to thrive. Give those to Jones and you will see success.
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Aikman also commented he's locked on recievers so it goes both ways with Jones. I haven't seen him working on this issue and I wish a best writer would ask why it is never done when other teams practice it all the time!
As stated earlier he's not a bad QB but he isn't great either. A good assessment.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 09:56:29 PMBut Daniel Jones did work in his first season in 2019
24 TDs to 12 Int's in 13 games
He also worked again in 2022
3900 total yards 22 TD's 5 Int 93.2 RTG 60.6 QBR ranked top six
So, it hasn't been the same thing over and over again with the same results.
Plus making playoffs and a playoff win.
Daboll and Schoen made the right decision.
They drafted an elite WR and improved the O line a bit.
Your may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.
3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.
2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.
"Here's a thought"
I'm not convinced
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 31, 2024, 08:20:54 AMYour may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.
3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.
2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.
You misread and misapplied what I had stated. What I was inferring was that Daboll and Schoen made the right decision in drafting Nabers and coupling him up with Jones, instead of drafting the 4th or 5th best QB left on the board.
I also respectfully disagree with you that the offense completely stalled in 2022 after the Houston game.
DJ threw for 334 yards against Minnesota in week 16, and again for another 301 yards in the playoff game combined with another 78 yards rushing.
I'm now off to work, enjoy
Quote from: Trench on May 30, 2024, 11:49:17 PMAikman also commented he's locked on recievers so it goes both ways with Jones. I haven't seen him working on this issue and I wish a best writer would ask why it is never done when other teams practice it all the time!
As stated earlier he's not a bad QB but he isn't great either. A good assessment.
I'm fairly sure Aikman didn't make that comment during the debacle against the Cowboys. DJ didn't have time to even see his receivers and when he did, he had no choice but to go to his first read because he was being hurried, hit and harassed every pass play.
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Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 31, 2024, 08:20:54 AMYour may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.
3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.
2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.
Barkley flopped in the Playoff game rushing for 53 yards. While DJ rushed for 100 yards and threw for over 300.
As to his paltry 15 TDs - he also ran for 7. Daboll had to run a conservative offense because of the OL limitations and the lack of talent at WR. Besides , this isn't fantasy football. A QBs ultimate job is to run the offense and Jones did just that. That's why he earned a second contract and justifiably received one commensurate with starting QBs in this league.
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Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 31, 2024, 08:20:54 AMYour may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.
3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.
2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.
Curious where you ended up with a calculation of 30 fans who think the deal was bad. You didn't poll me, so I guess you can make that 31.
Winning a road playoff game after being mired in sub- mediocrity for so many years is a great season for the Giants. This isn't fantasy football so who cares what the stats turn out to be. Daboll and Schoen certainly didn't care and in the end, they are the voices that matter, not the fans.
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Quote from: todge on May 31, 2024, 12:58:36 PMBarkley flopped in the Playoff game rushing for 53 yards. While DJ rushed for 100 yards and threw for over 300.
As to his paltry 15 TDs - he also ran for 7. Daboll had to run a conservative offense because of the OL limitations and the lack of talent at WR. Besides , this isn't fantasy football. A QBs ultimate job is to run the offense and Jones did just that. That's why he earned a second contract and justifiably received one commensurate with starting QBs in this league.
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I dont disagree with the barjley part, you did see where I put that Barkley hit the wall vs Houston. Meaning from Houston onwards he wasn't good which corresponded in us losing most of the remaining games outside Washington and a bad Indy team.
You can't say it's a Daboll/Kafka offense that limited DJ because that's completely false. You can't have Devito taking double the deep shots as Jones, and tyrod taking 3 timed the deep shots as Jones, and say that it's a schematic thing.
It's a Jones limitation currently and I think most of his advocates would acknowledge that he's got to go deep more often because it is not enough currently.
Quote from: todge on May 31, 2024, 01:04:54 PMCurious where you ended up with a calculation of 30 fans who think the deal was bad. You didn't poll me, so I guess you can make that 31.
Winning a road playoff game after being mired in sub- mediocrity for so many years is a great season for the Giants. This isn't fantasy football so who cares what the stats turn out to be. Daboll and Schoen certainly didn't care and in the end, they are the voices that matter, not the fans.
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Do you watch any Giant related content? Because I think you'd be hard pressed to find any media or nfl expert that has said the Jones deal was great or even good.
Now the contract is currently a roadblock to our future but we got 1 playoff win before getting dominated the next game so I guess it is worth it....
Jones' contract is unmovable. They could not trade him if they wanted to.
Unless the Giants are willing to blow up their salary cap going after Dak next year or waiting to draft Carson Beck or Shedeur Sanders, etc, etc.,
it's possible that there are few good options at the qb position in 2025.
But trading Jones is still fantasy football with his deal and injury history.
I have to confess, I am embarrassed as sin that this thread (one I consider one of the silliest I have seen in some time) continues to be near the top of the board :doh: Redfaced
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 02, 2024, 10:01:46 AMI have to confess, I am embarrassed as sin that this thread (one I consider one of the silliest I have seen in some time) continues to be near the top of the board :doh: Redfaced
It should have died after everyone had a good laugh but somehow the troll kept getting fed.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on June 02, 2024, 02:04:42 PMIt should have died after everyone had a good laugh but somehow the troll kept getting fed.
And continues to...
Jones can be traded if we pay his deal forward to the other party
Remember Simone Biles- She was great then comes the olympics and she cannot see the ground and withdraws from competition?
Jones cannot "see"the long ball connection outside the numbers.....he is terribly gun-shy. The Danny Dimes of his rookie year I now a fantasy.
At this point you have to consider it unfixable and get rid of him
Yes he did well in the weird Pandemic 2022....but it was again with short passing game and a soft schedule
Hes done...cant take the heat and is a deer in the headlights
Time to move on or continue to lose...he is now fatally flawed as an NFL QB
Quote from: BluesCruz on June 02, 2024, 02:11:20 PMJones can be traded if we pay his deal forward to the other party
Remember Simone Biles- She was great then comes the olympics and she cannot see the ground and withdraws from competition?
Jones cannot "see"the long ball connection outside the numbers.....he is terribly gun-shy. The Danny Dimes of his rookie year I now a fantasy.
At this point you have to consider it unfixable and get rid of him
Yes he did well in the weird Pandemic 2022....but it was again with short passing game and a soft schedule
Hes done...cant take the heat and is a deer in the headlights
Time to move on or continue to lose...he is now fatally flawed as an NFL QB
So wait you are comparing Simone Biles mental health struggles, because that's what it was to Jones throwing down field? I thought the Usain Bolt, Brightwell, and Devito stuff was wild but man....
Mental health struggles are real and happen, to compare that to someone throwing deep is pretty tasteless.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on June 02, 2024, 02:20:14 PMSo wait you are comparing Simone Biles mental health struggles, because that's what it was to Jones throwing down field? I thought the Usain Bolt, Brightwell, and Devito stuff was wild but man....
Mental health struggles are real and happen, to compare that to someone throwing deep is pretty tasteless.
Do you honestly think he believes any of this? He's a troll, and not as smart as he thinks he is. His goals are transparent...
Quote from: kingm56 on June 02, 2024, 02:54:47 PMDo you honestly think he believes any of this? He's a troll, and not as smart as he thinks he is. His goals are transparent...
I try to give people the benefit of doubt, especially when the threads they create provoke conversation in what is a down time for the team. Some things however are just too much.