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Quote from: Ed Vette on May 30, 2024, 05:50:42 AMChampionships are a team accomplishment.

Totally different eras. Rules changed materially. Can't compare stats as apples to apples from these two eras.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 30, 2024, 09:03:02 PMTotally different eras. Rules changed materially. Can't compare stats as apples to apples from these two eras.

Eli was Eli, regardless of eras. The Giants Offense was never explosive but Eli had better talent around him.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 30, 2024, 09:20:31 PMEli was Eli, regardless of eras. The Giants Offense was never explosive but Eli had better talent around him.

Ed,

I agree with you, and I'd also add that Eli played behind a top five offensive line his first five years in the league.

While he was still growing and learning.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 08:18:24 PMSo, let me get this straight, you are advocating for Daboll and Schoen to trade Daniel Jones, their starting QB right now. Okay, so quick question for you, who are they going to trade him too? And what player are they going to get in return?

Secondly, you claim Daniel Jones is a failure. May I ask a question then? In 2022 when the Giants made the playoffs and won a game, with Daniel Jones as the starting QB, were you advocating back then that he was an albatross and a failure?

Just curious?

He was saying teams normally don't double down or hold onto bad mistakes. If a qb doesn't work within a couple seasons they are gone and yet despite that we still have Daniel Jones.

49ers, CHI twice, Pittsburgh, the Jets twice, and so many more that have drafted a nonelite qb and then released them to start fresh. The Giants however being outdated are still clinging onto the same not so great player.

Doing the same thing over and over just to get the same result.

Also Jones Contract has universally been acknowledged as a bad deal along with the Giants attempts to select a new "guy".

I think Y was just saying please let's try something different besides what we've been doing over and over that has failed.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 30, 2024, 09:38:22 PMHe was saying teams normally don't double down or hold onto bad mistakes. If a qb doesn't work within a couple seasons they are gone and yet despite that we still have Daniel Jones.

49ers, CHI twice, Pittsburgh, the Jets twice, and so many more that have drafted a nonelite qb and then released them to start fresh. The Giants however being outdated are still clinging onto the same not so great player.

Doing the same thing over and over just to get the same result.

Also Jones Contract has universally been acknowledged as a bad deal along with the Giants attempts to select a new "guy".

I think Y was just saying please let's try something different besides what we've been doing over and over that has failed.

But Daniel Jones did work in his first season in 2019

24 TDs to 12 Int's in 13 games

He also worked again in 2022

3900 total yards 22 TD's 5 Int 93.2 RTG 60.6 QBR ranked top six

So, it hasn't been the same thing over and over again with the same results.

Plus making playoffs and a playoff win.

Daboll and Schoen made the right decision.

They drafted an elite WR and improved the O line a bit.

Quote from: todge on May 30, 2024, 01:27:28 PMIt wasn't the same team. The key was the early loss of Thomas due to a hamstring. His replacement Ezeudu was totally overmatched. It was also the debut of a rookie C. The level of competition was also a huge difference the first six games. Jones had less than 2 seconds on average to throw the ball before there was a jailbreak into the backfield. Even Aikman commented that DJ didn't have a chance. Later on the addition of Pugh and the return of Thomas stabilized the OL somewhat.

If DeVito and Taylor moved the team better as you claim, then why isn't Taylor starting this year? DeVito is hanging onto a roster spot by a shoelace. DeVito was ultimately benched in the Saints game because he was woefully unprepared - he was far more interested in signing autographs than spending time in the QB room.

Your last take that Taylor and DeVito are more in demand than Jones is a total head scratcher. As is your inference that both QBs are better than Jones.

Jones isn't being traded under any circumstances. So I'm pretty sure you can abandon that hope. This is and always will be a team game and a QB needs protection and weapons to thrive. Give those to Jones and you will see success.


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Aikman also commented he's locked on recievers so it goes both ways with Jones. I haven't seen him working on this issue and I wish a best writer would ask why it is never done when other teams practice it all the time!

As stated earlier he's not a bad QB but he isn't great either. A good assessment.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 09:56:29 PMBut Daniel Jones did work in his first season in 2019

24 TDs to 12 Int's in 13 games

He also worked again in 2022

3900 total yards 22 TD's 5 Int 93.2 RTG 60.6 QBR ranked top six

So, it hasn't been the same thing over and over again with the same results.

Plus making playoffs and a playoff win.

Daboll and Schoen made the right decision.

They drafted an elite WR and improved the O line a bit.

Your may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.

3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.

2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.

"Here's a thought"

I'm not convinced

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 31, 2024, 08:20:54 AMYour may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.

3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.

2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.

You misread and misapplied what I had stated. What I was inferring was that Daboll and Schoen made the right decision in drafting Nabers and coupling him up with Jones, instead of drafting the 4th or 5th best QB left on the board.

I also respectfully disagree with you that the offense completely stalled in 2022 after the Houston game.

DJ threw for 334 yards against Minnesota in week 16, and again for another 301 yards in the playoff game combined with another 78 yards rushing.

I'm now off to work, enjoy

Quote from: Trench on May 30, 2024, 11:49:17 PMAikman also commented he's locked on recievers so it goes both ways with Jones. I haven't seen him working on this issue and I wish a best writer would ask why it is never done when other teams practice it all the time!

As stated earlier he's not a bad QB but he isn't great either. A good assessment.

I'm fairly sure Aikman didn't make that comment during the debacle against the Cowboys. DJ didn't have time to even see his receivers and when he did, he had no choice but to go to his first read because he was being hurried, hit and harassed every pass play.


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Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 31, 2024, 08:20:54 AMYour may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.

3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.

2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.

Barkley flopped in the Playoff game rushing for 53 yards. While DJ rushed for 100 yards and threw for over 300.

As to his paltry 15 TDs - he also ran for 7. Daboll had to run a conservative offense because of the OL limitations and the lack of talent at WR. Besides , this isn't fantasy football. A QBs ultimate job is to run the offense and Jones did just that. That's why he earned a second contract and justifiably received one commensurate with starting QBs in this league.


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Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 31, 2024, 08:20:54 AMYour may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.

3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.

2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.

Curious where you ended up with a calculation of 30 fans who think the deal was bad. You didn't poll me, so I guess you can make that 31.

Winning a road playoff game after being mired in sub- mediocrity for so many years is a great season for the Giants. This isn't fantasy football so who cares what the stats turn out to be. Daboll and Schoen certainly didn't care and in the end, they are the voices that matter, not the fans.


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Quote from: todge on May 31, 2024, 12:58:36 PMBarkley flopped in the Playoff game rushing for 53 yards. While DJ rushed for 100 yards and threw for over 300.

As to his paltry 15 TDs - he also ran for 7. Daboll had to run a conservative offense because of the OL limitations and the lack of talent at WR. Besides , this isn't fantasy football. A QBs ultimate job is to run the offense and Jones did just that. That's why he earned a second contract and justifiably received one commensurate with starting QBs in this league.


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I dont disagree with the barjley part, you did see where I put that Barkley hit the wall vs Houston. Meaning from Houston onwards he wasn't good which corresponded in us losing most of the remaining games outside Washington and a bad Indy team.

You can't say it's a Daboll/Kafka offense that limited DJ because that's completely false. You can't have Devito taking double the deep shots as Jones, and tyrod taking 3 timed the deep shots as Jones, and say that it's a schematic thing.

It's a Jones limitation currently and I think most of his advocates would acknowledge that he's got to go deep more often because it is not enough currently.

Quote from: todge on May 31, 2024, 01:04:54 PMCurious where you ended up with a calculation of 30 fans who think the deal was bad. You didn't poll me, so I guess you can make that 31.

Winning a road playoff game after being mired in sub- mediocrity for so many years is a great season for the Giants. This isn't fantasy football so who cares what the stats turn out to be. Daboll and Schoen certainly didn't care and in the end, they are the voices that matter, not the fans.


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Do you watch any Giant related content? Because I think you'd be hard pressed to find any media or nfl expert that has said the Jones deal was great or even good.

Now the contract is currently a roadblock to our future but we got 1 playoff win before getting dominated the next game so I guess it is worth it....

Jones' contract is unmovable. They could not trade him if they wanted to.