https://x.com/giantswfan/status/1800572839667601849
https://x.com/MadelynBurke/status/1800572954918686757
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1800573637105193164
DANIEL,
Listen up and listen good. We have never doubted your athletic ability...okay. Heck, this is a league of professional athletes, they all have athletic ability of varying degrees.
What we do not see and crave to see is you READING the field and making quick sure decisions with the ball. One read and throw is seldom the norm in the NFL for todays QB. IMO in the past you have had the first read and if not an option there is some sort of disconnect in making a decision. Actually I think it takes place (this disconnect) at the snap meaning we get one read and throw OR the chances of anything further being successful are practically nonexistent.
You have a great arm and legs to move the chains when need be. but this is Year SIX. We need to see polish....poise...something that says you have an accumulated knowledge of how to be an NFL QB, not another Bobby Douglas (see Chicago Bears early 70's).
And start practice looking off the defense please
In communications, there is a 3 to 1 ratio. The rule says for every negative, you should offset with at least 3 positive comments. Here at BBH, we have the inverse. For every positive about Daniel Jones, it needs to be offset by at least 2 or 3 negative comments ;) :laugh:
He needs to reduce his exposure to getting injured. Daboll needs to pound that into him and also make him work the pocket and eliminate some of the designed running plays and get him to give himself up when he does run or the pocket collapses.
I would love to see him put up 700 yards on the ground again, it's one of his biggest weapons and very difficult for defences to gameplan for. But if RBs struggle (save for AP) coming back from injury, I fear his running will be severely hampered next season.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on June 12, 2024, 06:59:47 AMI would love to see him put up 700 yards on the ground again, it's one of his biggest weapons and very difficult for defences to gameplan for. But if RBs struggle (save for AP) coming back from injury, I fear his running will be severely hampered next season.
I think the running game will hinge on the O-line. I think the pieces are there (in the running back room) to have a credible running game. It's just a question of the O-line opening up some holes.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 12, 2024, 07:20:50 AMI think the running game will hinge on the O-line. I think the pieces are there (in the running back room) to have a credible running game. It's just a question of the O-line opening up some holes.
He ran successfully behind poor lines previously, so I'm not sure that the use of his 'athletic ability' (which I read to mean his legs), will have anything to do with the line.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on June 12, 2024, 07:26:02 AMHe ran successfully behind poor lines previously, so I'm not sure that the use of his 'athletic ability' (which I read to mean his legs), will have anything to do with the line.
I was referring to the RB side of thing. I think much of the yardage DJ put up was the result of a poor blocking rather than good blocking
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 12, 2024, 07:27:31 AMI was referring to the RB side of thing. I think much of the yardage DJ put up was the result of a poor blocking rather than good blocking
Yes, we are talking about different things.
Nevermind, the return of his athletic ability is a major boon for the offense. Whichever way we view it.
Less running, more looking downfield.
Quote from: Giant Obsession on June 11, 2024, 10:00:24 PMDANIEL,
Listen up and listen good. We have never doubted your athletic ability...okay. Heck, this is a league of professional athletes, they all have athletic ability of varying degrees.
What we do not see and crave to see is you READING the field and making quick sure decisions with the ball. One read and throw is seldom the norm in the NFL for todays QB. IMO in the past you have had the first read and if not an option there is some sort of disconnect in making a decision. Actually I think it takes place (this disconnect) at the snap meaning we get one read and throw OR the chances of anything further being successful are practically nonexistent.
You have a great arm and legs to move the chains when need be. but this is Year SIX. We need to see polish....poise...something that says you have an accumulated knowledge of how to be an NFL QB, not another Bobby Douglas (see Chicago Bears early 70's).
Perhaps DJ could do those things if he actually had time in the pocket. It's funny - many claim the Giants won those two Super Bowls because they put pressure on Brady. Yet if pressure is put on Jones, he's expected to produce anyway.
In 2023, Jones was hit, pressured and sacked over 50 times in the 5.5 games he played. His offensive line at that time (without Thomas) was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. They don't even measure hits, hurries, pressures etc. Jones had less than two seconds on average in the pocket.
Once again, we talk about how important it is to have a pass rush and make the opposing QB uncomfortable. But yet many ask our QB to rise above that and perform at a high level anyway.
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Quote from: todge on June 12, 2024, 01:21:23 PMPerhaps DJ could do those things if he actually had time in the pocket. It's funny - many claim the Giants won those two Super Bowls because they put pressure on Brady. Yet if pressure is put on Jones, he's expected to produce anyway.
In 2023, Jones was hit, pressured and sacked over 50 times in the 5.5 games he played. His offensive line at that time (without Thomas) was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. They don't even measure hits, hurries, pressures etc. Jones had less than two seconds on average in the pocket.
Once again, we talk about how important it is to have a pass rush and make the opposing QB uncomfortable. But yet many ask our QB to rise above that and perform at a high level anyway.
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Jones average time to throw was not any worse than most other teams. Yes the offensive line needs some significant work but so does Jones. Normally you would give some leeway to the time to throw average because some of it could be a Qb going deep, but Jones never goes deep so his time to throw has been about league average. In fact since Jones was drafted he has never even thrown half of his passes under 2.5 seconds.
So yes the offensive line needs work obviously but so does Jones on his downfield passes, and reading defenses.
Per Warren Sharp
the easiest time to pass the ball is on 1st down. Daniel Jones ranked #48 of 48 QBs on 1st down efficiency (min 100 att in 2023) just 30% of att were successful
NFL avg is 46%. Even if you remove the sacks he's 47 out of 48.
Graph shows time to throw and accuracy.
So yes the oline needs work, but so does Jones. It's not a playcalling issue as Devito and Taylor went deep significantly more than Jones. So Jones needs work post snap reading defenses, and progressions.
Quote from: todge on June 12, 2024, 01:21:23 PMPerhaps DJ could do those things if he actually had time in the pocket. It's funny - many claim the Giants won those two Super Bowls because they put pressure on Brady. Yet if pressure is put on Jones, he's expected to produce anyway.
In 2023, Jones was hit, pressured and sacked over 50 times in the 5.5 games he played. His offensive line at that time (without Thomas) was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. They don't even measure hits, hurries, pressures etc. Jones had less than two seconds on average in the pocket.
Once again, we talk about how important it is to have a pass rush and make the opposing QB uncomfortable. But yet many ask our QB to rise above that and perform at a high level anyway.
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Problem with your theory is that Brady (although pressured) still produced!...Jones when pressured is a scared rabbit who locks on every receiver and hasn't shown a consistent ability to do anything except put his head down and run with the ball.
Brady when pressured still was a lethal operator.
CJ Shourd line was also bad
Did the WRs step up?
It seems that was but it was also having CJ as the QB
There is nothing the Giants are able to do
Let D Jones be the QB
But tell.him
You want him to throw it 7 times a game downfield.no matter what
Quote from: ralphpal1 on June 13, 2024, 03:11:44 PMCJ Shourd line was also bad
Did the WRs step up?
It seems that was but it was also having CJ as the QB
There is nothing the Giants are able to do
Let D Jones be the QB
But tell.him
You want him to throw it 7 times a game downfield.no matter what
PFF had the Texan's line ranked 15th overall by the end of the season
15. HOUSTON TEXANS
Best lineup:
LT Laremy Tunsil
LG Kendrick Green
C Jarrett Patterson
RG Shaq Mason
RT George Fant
The Texans' offensive line defied expectations to open the campaign, but injuries caught up to the group. Fourteen different offensive linemen saw snaps this season, and 10 logged at least 200 snaps.
Over the first 11 weeks of the season, Houston's front five allowed 92 total pressures and ranked fourth in pass-blocking efficiency rating.
Best player: Laremy Tunsil
While Tunsil does not necessarily stand out in run blocking, this was another elite season for him in pass protection. His 85.4 pass-blocking grade ranked second among offensive tackles during the regular season.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2023-nfl-offensive-line-rankings
Interestingly the Giants managed, by the end of the season, to claw their way from dead last to 30th (Thomas returning likely helped)
30. NEW YORK GIANTS
Best lineup:
LT Andrew Thomas
LG Marcus McKethan
C John Michael Schmitz Jr.
RG Mark Glowinski
RT Tyre Phillips
Aside from Andrew Thomas, no Giants offensive lineman earned a PFF overall grade above 65.0.
Perhaps the most worrying part for Giants fans is the lack of development from second-year right tackle Evan Neal, who earned a 42.1 overall grade this season.
Best player: Andrew Thomas
Thomas was comfortably the Giants' best offensive lineman this season, and his absence was noticeable when he missed time due to injury.
I hope they resign Phillips when healthy, he's a solid depth pieces that they never should have cut last season.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on June 13, 2024, 04:12:45 PMI hope they resign Phillips when healthy, he's a solid depth pieces that they never should have cut last season.
I heard somewhere that he will not be ready until November
Quote from: Jclayton92 on June 12, 2024, 03:20:12 PMJones average time to throw was not any worse than most other teams. Yes the offensive line needs some significant work but so does Jones. Normally you would give some leeway to the time to throw average because some of it could be a Qb going deep, but Jones never goes deep so his time to throw has been about league average. In fact since Jones was drafted he has never even thrown half of his passes under 2.5 seconds.
So yes the offensive line needs work obviously but so does Jones on his downfield passes, and reading defenses.
Per Warren Sharp
the easiest time to pass the ball is on 1st down. Daniel Jones ranked #48 of 48 QBs on 1st down efficiency (min 100 att in 2023) just 30% of att were successful
NFL avg is 46%. Even if you remove the sacks he's 47 out of 48.
Graph shows time to throw and accuracy.
So yes the oline needs work, but so does Jones. It's not a playcalling issue as Devito and Taylor went deep significantly more than Jones. So Jones needs work post snap reading defenses, and progressions.
The level of competition and the offensive line was much different for DJ than it was for DeVito. Thomas was out and Ezedeu was thoroughly abused. Bredeson was horrific and was ultimately replaced by Pugh. I assumed you watched the games. So you must have seen that Jones barely got the snap before being hit, hurried, harassed and sacked. That's been stated many times yet you persist in your insistence that Taylor and DeVito are better QBs than Jones is.
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Quote from: todge on June 13, 2024, 05:01:56 PMThe level of competition and the offensive line was much different for DJ than it was for DeVito. Thomas was out and Ezedeu was thoroughly abused. Bredeson was horrific and was ultimately replaced by Pugh. I assumed you watched the games. So you must have seen that Jones barely got the snap before being hit, hurried, harassed and sacked. That's been stated many times yet you persist in your insistence that Taylor and DeVito are better QBs than Jones is.
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I didn't say either was better than Jones, infact I've never said that ever so you must have me confused with someone else.
Nowhere in that statement did I say they were better, I said that threw the ball deeper, with a lot more consistently than Jones. It was a point of reference for how little Jones went deep despite similar circumstances. Taylor led the league in big time throw rate despite what was around him. Jones is a better athlete I don't think anyone questions that. He however can't figure out defenses, or progressions at a fast enough rate to be a + starter.
He needs to take significant strides this year in moving the ball downfield which should be obvious for most fans and analysts alike. The offensive line also needs to be significantly better, both things can be true at the same time.
Jones needs to practice accurate long balls with air under them....his line drive only approach causes him to wait too long for the opening he can drill it into
BIG PROBLEM
Quote from: todge on June 13, 2024, 05:01:56 PMThe level of competition and the offensive line was much different for DJ than it was for DeVito. Thomas was out and Ezedeu was thoroughly abused. Bredeson was horrific and was ultimately replaced by Pugh. I assumed you watched the games. So you must have seen that Jones barely got the snap before being hit, hurried, harassed and sacked. That's been stated many times yet you persist in your insistence that Taylor and DeVito are better QBs than Jones is.
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Fact of matter is no matter how we slice it, Jones had so many opportunities that he missed. It was discussed here and shown in video clips ad nauseam yet still people made excuses.
He stunk last year. Absolute horrific and it started with Dallas and he never got better. Backups went in and moved the ball and injected life. Those are facts. Yeah Thomas was in and out but one man doesn't make a team.
Full disclosure, hopefully it clicks for Jones this year and we can all take our licks for not having enough patience. I'll be first on line. Unfortunately I don't have much confidence simply because he rarely if ever practices looking off the DBs. The entire league knows this. I anticipate his interceptions will go WAY WAY up this year BECAUSE of this. Yet guys here will say "everyone wanted him to take chances and this is part of it"
He's our QB and nobody will root harder for his success than me. I hope he becomes All-Pro.
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2024, 09:14:28 AMFact of matter is no matter how we slice it, Jones had so many opportunities that he missed. It was discussed here and shown in video clips ad nauseam yet still people made excuses.
What is actually a fact, is that the head coach has called out the claims you say are "fact" as not being accurate. While a person can point to an open receiver, what the head coach made very clear to Bob Papa is that often the "open" receiver ran a wrong route so he is not where the QB expects him to be.
We know the head coach has faulted the armchair film analysts, but you still cite the disputed data and accuse those who listen to what the head coach has said of "making excuses."
Look, I don't consider it a badge of honor or shame to be right in one's predictions about Daniel Jones. What is important to me is being right in assessments of him and interpreting the available information in as fair a manner as possible. I think to do that, one really can't have a pre-determined position that can be right or wrong as that introduces possible bias in how we see things.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 14, 2024, 09:52:40 AMWhat is actually a fact, is that the head coach has called out the claims you say are "fact" as not being accurate. While a person can point to an open receiver, what the head coach made very clear to Bob Papa is that often the "open" receiver ran a wrong route so he is not where the QB expects him to be.
We know the head coach has faulted the armchair film analysts, but you still cite the disputed data and accuse those who listen to what the head coach has said of "making excuses."
Look, I don't consider it a badge of honor or shame to be right in one's predictions about Daniel Jones. What is important to me is being right in assessments of him and interpreting the available information in as fair a manner as possible. I think to do that, one really can't have a pre-determined position that can be right or wrong as that introduces possible bias in how we see things.
The head coach is fighting for his job what the heck would u expect him to say?...and further it is a fact that our backups played better than Jones. Even beat the Eagles! Those are undisputed facts.
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2024, 10:45:44 AMThe head coach is fighting for his job what the heck would u expect him to say?...and further it is a fact that our backups played better than Jones. Even beat the Eagles! Those are undisputed facts.
This was a private conversation between Bob Papa and Brian Daboll. It wasn't a press conference or something where Daboll needed to stretch the truth or lie to try and protect his job. I will share this with you. I presented you with evidence that should be used to evaluate Daniel Jones. Instead of taking that evidence and using it to evaluate, you went out of your way to dismiss it. Not only did you dismiss it, you scrambled to find something negative to say about Jones. Even the "fact" you added, was incomplete since you failed to consider the different conditions the three QBs played under. If you are going to look at QB performance, how could you not put it in context? Here is but one very important context to consider- How quickly and how often did each of the QBs face pressure
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_PP2uzW8AACUSE?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
One look at the chart, and I can't see how you could make the claim that it was a fact that the backups played better than Jones. Jones was pressured much faster and more often than the backups. So what exactly does your "fact" prove other than that a quarterback who is heavily and quickly pressured will struggle 100% of the time?
Look, I don't know how DJ's career with the Giants will eventually play out. I am not a fortune teller, and there are far too many variables (both with Jones and the team), but I think, as fans, we should try to be fair and open-minded in our assessments of the man. It certainly doesn't cost us anything to do so, and considering how hard the guy works for the team and for us, it seems it's the least we can do.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 14, 2024, 11:05:35 AMThis was a private conversation between Bob Papa and Brian Daboll. It wasn't a press conference or something where Daboll needed to stretch the truth or lie to try and protect his job. I will share this with you. I presented you with evidence that should be used to evaluate Daniel Jones. Instead of taking that evidence and using it to evaluate, you went out of your way to dismiss it. Not only did you dismiss it, you scrambled to find something negative to say about Jones. Even the "fact" you added, was incomplete since you failed to consider the different conditions the three QBs played under. If you are going to look at QB performance, how could you not put it in context? Here is but one very important context to consider- How quickly and how often did each of the QBs face pressure
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_PP2uzW8AACUSE?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
One look at the chart, and I can't see how you could make the claim that it was a fact that the backups played better than Jones. Jones was pressured much faster and more often than the backups. So what exactly does your "fact" prove other than that a quarterback who is heavily and quickly pressured will struggle 100% of the time?
Look, I don't know how DJ's career with the Giants will eventually play out. I am not a fortune teller, and there are far too many variables (both with Jones and the team), but I think, as fans, we should try to be fair and open-minded in our assessments of the man. It certainly doesn't cost us anything to do so, and considering how hard the guy works for the team and for us, it seems it's the least we can do.
We agree to disagree. Let's leave it at that.
I'm rooting for him to be an All-Pro. Would love nothing more. Stats can be construed many ways as Ed pointed out regarding Jones vs Trevor.
I could be wrong on this but my opinion is "time to throw" could be skewed for instance:
If a QB has a few good throws, especially early in game....the defense sometimes seems to soften because they don't take as many chances for fear of being "burned"....that could be another factor as to why our backups had more success moving the ball downfield/time to throw because they showed ability to throw the thing downfield in chunks
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2024, 11:13:59 AMWe agree to disagree. Let's leave it at that.
I'm rooting for him to be an All-Pro. Would love nothing more. Stats can be construed many ways as Ed pointed out regarding Jones vs Trevor.
Rooting- the act of cheering on or supporting a person or team
I would suggest you are more "challenging" Jones. You would like him to do well, but you are determined not to give him the benefit of the doubt. As you have repeatedly said, you are challenging him to prove you wrong (which you have made a very high bar).
As for stats, there are many ways to be construed, but the reality is there is usually only one that is correct or at least most accurate. You mentioned Ed and the stats comparing DJ with Lawerence. I hope you saw my post where I drilled down and showed the most accurate picture possible. Stats can be powerful tools to help us better learn and understand situations, or they can be used selectively to create false impressions. We should all strive for the former rather than the latter
Still, as you said, we can agree to disagree. You have your opinions, and I have mine. It's okay if they don't align.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 14, 2024, 11:26:22 AMRooting- the act of cheering on or supporting a person or team
I would suggest you are more "challenging" Jones. You would like him to do well, but you are determined not to give him the benefit of the doubt. As you have repeatedly said, you are challenging him to prove you wrong (which you have made a very high bar).
As for stats, there are many ways to be construed, but the reality is there is usually only one that is correct or at least most accurate. You mentioned Ed and the stats comparing DJ with Lawerence. I hope you saw my post where I drilled down and showed the most accurate picture possible. Stats can be powerful tools to help us better learn and understand situations, or they can be used selectively to create false impressions. We should all strive for the former rather than the latter
Still, as you said, we can agree to disagree. You have your opinions, and I have mine. It's okay if they don't align.
I am challenging. And I'm proud of it. No participation trophies. That's the way I root for my teams. Expectations always high - just like Al Davis and George Steinbrenner. Both of them consistently blasted their star players but it never meant the didn't "cheer" for them as well.
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2024, 11:18:32 AMI could be wrong on this but my opinion is "time to throw" could be skewed for instance:
If a QB has a few good throws, especially early in game....the defense sometimes seems to soften because they don't take as many chances for fear of being "burned"....that could be another factor as to why our backups had more success moving the ball downfield/time to throw because they showed ability to throw the thing downfield in chunks
When defenses are getting to the QB more than half the time in around 2.3 seconds it's not on the QB
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 14, 2024, 11:32:19 AMWhen defenses are getting to the QB more than half the time in around 2.3 seconds it's not on the QB
You probably read my reasoning, and there will be no way to refute it or substantiate it. I sincerely believe if a QB gets hot early, the defense softens. When a QB can't make reads quick or locks on receivers then the flood gates open. I sincerely believe this to be part of jones issues last year because the backup QBs did soften the defenses in a better way and they seemed more comfortable and competent
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2024, 11:38:10 AMYou probably read my reasoning, and there will be no way to refute it or substantiate it. I sincerely believe if a QB gets hot early, the defense softens. When a QB can't make reads quick or locks on receivers then the flood gates open. I sincerely believe this to be part of jones issues last year because the backup QBs did soften the defenses in a better way and they seemed more comfortable and competent
How exactly does a defense "soften"? What exactly does a defense do differently to soften itself after an opposing QB has some early success?
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 14, 2024, 11:57:31 AMHow exactly does a defense "soften"? What exactly does a defense do differently to soften itself after an opposing QB has some early success?
Maybe someone can explain it better than me - announcers sometimes talk about it. When an aggressive QB makes plays early (the defense kinda starts going to a soft prevent)...it allows the QB more time to throw
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2024, 12:00:07 PMMaybe someone can explain it better than me - announcers sometimes talk about it. When an aggressive QB makes plays early (the defense kinda starts going to a soft prevent)...it allows the QB more time to throw
Early QB success may or may not impact how a defense will play. Teams spend all week creating defensive game plans against an opposing QB. A good coach is unlikely to abandon that gameplay because of a couple of successful passes. That said, a defense may make some adjustments, but those adjustments could go either way. If a QB is burning a defense's blitz, they might blitz a bit less. If they get burned due to a lack of pressure, they may increase the number of blitzes. Same with coverage. If receivers are beating them deep on tight coverage, they might play off a bit more. If the receivers are feasting on the underneath stuff from soft coverage, they might play more press or tight coverage.
The only time teams will usually go into a soft prevent defense is if they are protecting a nice lead and hope to run out the clock.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 14, 2024, 12:33:25 PMEarly QB success may or may not impact how a defense will play. Teams spend all week creating defensive game plans against an opposing QB. A good coach is unlikely to abandon that gameplay because of a couple of successful passes. That said, a defense may make some adjustments, but those adjustments could go either way. If a QB is burning a defense's blitz, they might blitz a bit less. If they get burned due to a lack of pressure, they may increase the number of blitzes. Same with coverage. If receivers are beating them deep on tight coverage, they might play off a bit more. If the receivers are feasting on the underneath stuff from soft coverage, they might play more press or tight coverage.
The only time teams will usually go into a soft prevent defense is if they are protecting a nice lead and hope to run out the clock.
I've heard announcers say otherwise
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2024, 01:20:05 PMI've heard announcers say otherwise
Years ago (2006), I read a book written by Phil Simms- Sunday Morning Quarterback: Going Deep on the Strategies, Myths, and Mayhem of Football
Phil walked the reader through so many of the cliches used by announcers and showed just how many of them were either not true or grossly exaggerated. Since then, I tend to be careful in terms of simply believing everything an announcer says.
Here is a link to the book if you're interested (it was a great read at the time)
An in-depth and surprising look at the game, Sunday Morning Quarterback will dramatically change the way you watch football.
You've heard all the football clichés: "Their offense is too predictable," or "They've got to win the turnover battle," or "They didn't make any halftime adjustments." Perhaps you've heard them so often that you've come to see them as obvious truths. Phil Simms, after an illustrious career as a Super Bowl–winning quarterback and a broadcaster, is here to tell you that these -- and many other blanket statements taken as gospel -- are all myths, and whoever says them has no idea of what they're talking about.
Drilling deep into the core of football, Simms also shows the hidden signs that players look for that can determine the outcome of a game. Whether it's discovering how a linebacker positions his feet before he blitzes or how to react if the safety is eight or nine yards from the line of scrimmage, knowing these "dirty little secrets" gives players and their coaches a tremendous advantage.
In addition, Simms shares his insights into the enormous challenges coaches face in today's game, evaluating the top coaches and what makes them successful. He takes a look at some of the greatest players he's played with and against, and what he misses most about the game -- waking up Monday mornings feeling beat up and sore. He looks at the next generation of football players -- his son, Tampa Bay's Chris Simms, among them.
Through it all, Simms shares stories from his playing days with Bill Parcells and the New York Giants, and the inside access he's had as an announcer for one of the top NFL broadcasting teams in football.
Fun and lively, Sunday Morning Quarterback should be required reading for anyone who loves football.
https://www.amazon.com/Sunday-Morning-Quarterback-Strategies-Football/dp/0060734310
Good stuff thank you.
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2024, 09:14:28 AMFact of matter is no matter how we slice it, Jones had so many opportunities that he missed. It was discussed here and shown in video clips ad nauseam yet still people made excuses.
He stunk last year. Absolute horrific and it started with Dallas and he never got better. Backups went in and moved the ball and injected life. Those are facts. Yeah Thomas was in and out but one man doesn't make a team.
Full disclosure, hopefully it clicks for Jones this year and we can all take our licks for not having enough patience. I'll be first on line. Unfortunately I don't have much confidence simply because he rarely if ever practices looking off the DBs. The entire league knows this. I anticipate his interceptions will go WAY WAY up this year BECAUSE of this. Yet guys here will say "everyone wanted him to take chances and this is part of it"
He's our QB and nobody will root harder for his success than me. I hope he becomes All-Pro.
It's a good thing that we don't have a drinking game where every time you talk about Jones not looking off dbs we'd have to drink. =))
Quote from: AZGiantFan on June 14, 2024, 01:48:25 PMIt's a good thing that we don't have a drinking game where every time you talk about Jones not looking off dbs we'd have to drink. =))
Well played