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Quote from: President Rick on November 10, 2024, 08:26:36 AMpre-game thought...two teams with dismal records....watch for the attendance %.  IMO the nfl won't wait too much longer to expand to Europe...if fans watch/attend pretty much any game, they'll flock to support their own local heroes.

And as always, Go Giants!

Quote from: President Rick on November 10, 2024, 08:26:36 AMpre-game thought...two teams with dismal records....watch for the attendance %.  IMO the nfl won't wait too much longer to expand to Europe...if fans watch/attend pretty much any game, they'll flock to support their own local heroes.

And as always, Go Giants!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 09:37:28 AMNice early play call to take a deep shot. I like it.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 09:39:20 AMGood god what the hell was that throw by Jones???  He had Nabers literally wide open for a first down.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 09:40:44 AMIf there was ever a single play that shows what we have in Jones, that right there was it


WTF

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 09:38:05 AMHyatt!...good job!

Quote from: killarich on November 10, 2024, 09:42:51 AMRealistically speaking people

Around what pick range do we have to be to get Ward Or Sanders ?

I just can't watch and root for them to lose but I know what's best for the team

But what other teams desperately need a QB ? Is it possible both Ward and Sanders go 5-10 range not 1-5 ?

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 10, 2024, 09:45:12 AMTrench: Disagree. IMO it was a BAD JOB.  All he had to do was lift his back arm (the right arm) over the defenders and he would have wound up in the end zone. It was a good job to get open and draw a penalty, but a terrible job not making the most of the play.  Also, Jones missing a wide-open man was just as bad. Bob

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 09:48:11 AMI'd have to look again but it appeared he was really being held and couldn't lift the arm up??

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 09:48:34 AMAnd that's why Simmons doesn't play more than 20% of our defensive snaps. 

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 09:48:34 AMAnd that's why Simmons doesn't play more than 20% of our defensive snaps. 

Quote from: sxdxca38 on November 10, 2024, 09:51:05 AMTerrible defensive series

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 09:51:58 AMNot sure what his assignment was but if he was deeper to defend the back of the EZ, Young walks in for a TD.

I think it may have been a secondary issue.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 09:55:25 AMLate throw...DJ is currently being outplayed by the NFL's worst QB. 

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 09:55:25 AMLate throw...DJ is currently being outplayed by the NFL's worst QB. 

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 09:55:28 AMDubbol has to give up play calling


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Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 09:56:34 AMHe's outplaying himself???  :hurt:

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 09:55:50 AMWhere are the Jones stat updates today?

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 09:57:29 AMHow is play calling the issue when the plays that are called generate open WRs, which the QB can't throw a descent pass to complete?

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 09:57:29 AMHow is play calling the issue when the plays that are called generate open WRs, which the QB can't throw a descent pass to complete?

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 09:57:48 AMWe lose to Carolina there has to be firings.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 10, 2024, 09:58:23 AM1 for 5 for 3 yards!

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 09:57:29 AMHow is play calling the issue when the plays that are called generate open WRs, which the QB can't throw a descent pass to complete?

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 09:59:22 AMI agree but head coach has to focus on all of team not just offense...so he is not looking down at his play sheet all the time


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Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 09:59:15 AMDaboll is the fall guy for when the QB stinks since he's supposed to be a QB whisperer.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 09:57:29 AMHow is play calling the issue when the plays that are called generate open WRs, which the QB can't throw a descent pass to complete?

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 09:48:11 AMI'd have to look again but it appeared he was really being held and couldn't lift the arm up??

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:00:53 AMTo his point - we need 1 yard and Daboll calls a screen that generates 1 1/2 yards or so - and looked as if we had to move Heaven and earth just to make it work. Everything just seems so difficult offensively.

Last week we saw some spark from Theo. This week Daboll doesn't even dial anything up in 2 series. I think those are the types of things which make people question the play calling

Quote from: Giant Obsession on November 10, 2024, 09:59:04 AM4th and 3 from midfield.  A 2 win team playing the other worst team in the NFL and we punt.

What daring
What guts
What bravado

What a message for your players.

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 10:02:35 AMOur D's getting taken apart by Carolina's O.
Carolina.
Let that sink in.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 10, 2024, 10:01:35 AMTrench: He was being held, but re-watch it. After the defender let go, Hyatt still had enough time to lift his arm and, if he had kept running it was a long, long TD. Instead, IMO, he chose to "settle for" taking the foul. That is the stuff of losing teams. Bob

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 10:03:42 AMBut the prevailing coaching premise is to call plays that play to the player's (QB's) strengths. In this case, it's short passes for Jones. And when THAT doesn't work, the coach sucks.

Make it make sense  :surrender:

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 10:01:22 AMTeam is a mess ...no one tackles ...looks like a defeated team going through motions


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Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 10:04:03 AMThey are but too many fans are focused on Jones to notice

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:02:50 AMWonder play by Phillips there to shoot the gap.  I really like our rookie class. 

Quote from: uconnjack8 on November 10, 2024, 10:05:35 AMLooks like they never got off the plane

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:07:40 AMI think it's safe to finally say there is a possibility Daniel Jones is the worst starting QB (with more than one season in that role) the Giants have ever had.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:07:40 AMI think it's safe to finally say there is a possibility Daniel Jones is the worst starting QB (with more than one season in that role) the Giants have ever had.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 10:09:38 AMLike I said

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:07:40 AMI think it's safe to finally say there is a possibility Daniel Jones is the worst starting QB (with more than one season in that role) the Giants have ever had.

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 10:10:30 AMAll Daboll does is look at his play sheet....not aware of what is going with players on his team...he needs to motivate his plays and get them up etc not just at play sheet

Totally agree with this observation
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Quote from: killarich on November 10, 2024, 09:59:17 AMI disagree ... we have given Jones numerous coaches

I think it's time we give a coach at least one season with a new qb

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 10:11:28 AMYeah, I'm just venting.
Watching our D getting torn a new one by Bryce Young and a rookie RB is not helping.

Quote from: Bill Brown on November 10, 2024, 10:10:55 AMI'm sure you would bitch about Jones even if they hung him with a brand new rope.

I've given him my utmost rooting passion as a fan. Just calling balls and strikes from my personal perspective

Quote from: Bill Brown on November 10, 2024, 10:10:55 AMI'm sure you would bitch about Jones even if they hung him with a brand new rope.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:14:41 AMThe box is absolutely stacked daring DJ to beat them with the pass, which is why we're seeing a lot of one-on-one coverages.

Quote from: katkavage on November 10, 2024, 10:16:49 AMSecond half changes?

Quote from: killarich on November 10, 2024, 10:16:13 AMThis is why you PURPOSELY don't play short of the sticks

Coward playcalling there... straight COWARD LOSING MENTALITY

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 10:17:26 AMI wasn't going to drink today.
They're not making it easy.

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 10:17:26 AMI wasn't going to drink today.
They're not making it easy.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 10, 2024, 10:19:14 AMI was hoping to just stick to hot coffee.

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 10:18:32 AMGlad they signed Gano to a new deal.  It is really paying off


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Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:20:13 AMThe guy was lights out for so long. Could it be injury still?

Quote from: TDToomer on November 10, 2024, 10:19:14 AMI was hoping to just stick to hot coffee.

Quote from: Giant Obsession on November 10, 2024, 10:19:42 AMGee, I was counting on a win here to make my 3 win prediction come true.    :o  :o  :o  :o  :o

Quote from: killarich on November 10, 2024, 10:21:21 AMI wish the NFL moved all games up 3 hours


That way if your team sucks and always loses (Giants) you can be fresh off your hot coffee and move on with your day

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 10:25:44 AMWhat the hell was Smith-Marsette doing?
Dumb assed.

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 10:25:44 AMWhat the hell was Smith-Marsette doing?
Dumb assed.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 10, 2024, 10:26:02 AMYou should move to the Pacific Time zone.

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 10:32:03 AMDaboll is awful calling plays that was not necessary


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Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 10:32:03 AMDaboll is awful calling plays that was not necessary


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Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 10:32:03 AMDaboll is awful calling plays that was not necessary


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Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:32:24 AM2nd and 5 and he lines tracy up on outside after 2 excellent runs. Then Nabers runs short of sticks for a complete pass and then Daboll goes for trickery on 3rd n short.

There most certainly is an issue with the play calling.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:32:24 AM2nd and 5 and he lines tracy up on outside after 2 excellent runs. Then Nabers runs short of sticks for a complete pass and then Daboll goes for trickery on 3rd n short.

There most certainly is an issue with the play calling.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 10:33:40 AMSeriously? Guys are wide open!!!

The announcers even said they dunno what Jones is seeing and people are open down the field!!!!!!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 10:33:26 AMJones needs a full three count to see guys open anywhere on the field that aren't easy check-downs.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:34:36 AMBut it worked!  He had two wide-open WRs to choose from and he was locked on to the one player that was covered.  This is NOT Daball fault.  He called a great play and his brain dead QB couldn't execute. 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 10:36:18 AMHow is it bad play calling when multiple guys are open downfield?

Are we sure it was the playcalling that caused that play to fail?

Quote from: Topshelf21 on November 10, 2024, 10:37:06 AMFailure on both ends.

Stupid play call. Trying to be too cute or the smartest guy in the room.

DJ has to make that play as well.

It seems like Daboll is reaching at every crucial moment that makes the mountain to climb that much steeper to being a good team.

Quote from: Topshelf21 on November 10, 2024, 10:37:06 AMFailure on both ends.

Stupid play call. Trying to be too cute or the smartest guy in the room.

DJ has to make that play as well.

It seems like Daboll is reaching at every crucial moment that makes the mountain to climb that much steeper to being a good team.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:34:36 AMBut it worked!  He had two wide-open WRs to choose from and he was locked on to the one player that was covered.  This is NOT Daball fault.  He called a great play and his brain dead QB couldn't execute. 

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 10:36:53 AMBut in context.....just get the first on the ground.

Quote from: Topshelf21 on November 10, 2024, 10:37:06 AMFailure on both ends.

Stupid play call. Trying to be too cute or the smartest guy in the room.

DJ has to make that play as well.

It seems like Daboll is reaching at every crucial moment that makes the mountain to climb that much steeper to being a good team.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 10:37:44 AMSo scheming wide open receivers is stupid??

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 10:39:22 AMI'm sorry, but anyone still claiming Daboll is a bad play caller after this game, is either not watching, in denial, or is gungho about Jones being good at football.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 10:40:16 AMIt was a stupid play call - despite guys being open - because it shows a lack of recognition of his QB's abilities.

Just like it's stupid for them to keep trotting DJ out there. And that's on Daboll, too.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:40:40 AMHopefully they just saw that exert by Warner and stop with this nonsense. 

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:40:57 AMLast week jones threw a magnificent seem ball to Theo over the LB. Let's get back to that

Quote from: Topshelf21 on November 10, 2024, 10:37:06 AMFailure on both ends.

Stupid play call. Trying to be too cute or the smartest guy in the room.

DJ has to make that play as well.

It seems like Daboll is reaching at every crucial moment that makes the mountain to climb that much steeper to being a good team.

Quote from: umassgrad on November 10, 2024, 10:41:29 AMThis is the worst Giants QB play in my 55 years of watching NYG football.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 10:41:43 AMBS, a monkey can make those throws

Quote from: umassgrad on November 10, 2024, 10:41:29 AMThis is the worst Giants QB play in my 55 years of watching NYG football.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:44:42 AMTracy is a good football player!  I can't wait to see him when the defenses can't stack the box.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 10:45:19 AMNice job by Jones to see the wide open Robinson 10 yards away that time.

Hopefully it's a turning point..

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 10:45:19 AMNice job by Jones to see the wide open Robinson 10 yards away that time.

Hopefully it's a turning point..

Quote from: umassgrad on November 10, 2024, 10:46:34 AM6 years of turning point waiting

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 10:46:12 AMYep, one of the few brightspots this season.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:44:42 AMTracy is a good football player!  I can't wait to see him when the defenses can't stack the box.

Quote from: Messiah717 on November 10, 2024, 10:48:00 AMIt's complete incompetence that a competent backup QB wasn't added to this roster.  This team and QB are a disgrace. 

Quote from: miss86 on November 10, 2024, 10:49:17 AMPull DJ out of the game!

Quote from: Messiah717 on November 10, 2024, 10:48:00 AMIt's complete incompetence that a competent backup QB wasn't added to this roster.  This team and QB are a disgrace. 

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:49:46 AMIs it me or does he really really struggle while rolling to the right

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 10:48:46 AMThey have a competent backup QB, unfortunately he is the starter

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 10:50:30 AMJones is not the issue guys!!!!!! If you claim he is its a fallacy!!!!!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 10:51:53 AMDaniel Jones first half stats against the worst defense in the NFL:

6 for 14, 51 yards, 3.9 YPA, zero touchdowns, one pick, 24.1 passer rating.


It's all about the play calling though.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:50:09 AMNO...keep him in; he gives us the best chance to draft his replacement. 

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:50:09 AMNO...keep him in; he gives us the best chance to draft his replacement. 

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 10:52:42 AMHey, he beat the Vikings in the playoffs, back off out franchise guy  /sarcasm/

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 10:51:08 AMIt's getting to the stage I dread Sundays.

Quote from: madbadger on November 10, 2024, 10:53:10 AMUntil he inevitably gets hurt and we're on the hook for the rest of his contract. His ass should be in the bench.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 10:51:53 AMDaniel Jones first half stats against the worst defense in the NFL:

6 for 14, 51 yards, 3.9 YPA, zero touchdowns, one pick, 24.1 passer rating.


It's all about the play calling though.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:52:29 AMAnd if you knew he wasn't the guy three years ago, you arrived that conclusion through luck.

Quote from: madbadger on November 10, 2024, 10:53:10 AMUntil he inevitably gets hurt and we're on the hook for the rest of his contract. His ass should be in the bench.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 10:51:53 AMDaniel Jones first half stats against the worst defense in the NFL:

6 for 14, 51 yards, 3.9 YPA, zero touchdowns, one pick, 24.1 passer rating.


It's all about the play calling though.

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 10:54:17 AMThe interception was not necessary Jones made bad decision trying to throw a pass to a guy that was covered...hind sight 20/20 but why not fake throw pull it down and run


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Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:55:47 AMI would respectfully push back. It most certainly is the QB but in certain instances like today it can be a combination of both. We have seen Daboll get cute plenty of times without success.  Today is a prime example is all.

Quote from: madbadger on November 10, 2024, 10:54:56 AMBull$hit. He peaked his rookie year nd has been a ham sandwich ever since. Every other franchise would have popped smoke three years ago.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 10:54:46 AMI don't see anyone saying "it's just the play calling."

2 things can be true at once. DJ is a terrible QB. And Daboll is a terrible play-caller.

When your QB stinks, and has stunk all year, why call a trick pass play on 3rd-and-1? It shows a complete lack of awareness of his team's strengths and weaknesses.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:55:14 AMThis is the second time I've made this statement this year.  If Tommy D was our QB today, we would be winning or at least tied.  DJ has been that bad...again.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 10:56:15 AMBad play calling by the coach.  /sarcasm/

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:55:47 AMI would respectfully push back. It most certainly is the QB but in certain instances like today it can be a combination of both. We have seen Daboll get cute plenty of times without success.  Today is a prime example is all.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:55:47 AMI would respectfully push back. It most certainly is the QB but in certain instances like today it can be a combination of both. We have seen Daboll get cute plenty of times without success.  Today is a prime example is all.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:57:45 AMIt's mind boggling that some fans are still blaming the coaching.  Talk about confirmation bias...

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 10:59:55 AMHe called a "trick" play to get receivers open but because the QB is horrible, it was a bad call.

Some perspectives i just don't understand at all.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 10:58:17 AMIf the point is that the coach is calling plays that require an NFL QB making $40mm a year to be able to throw the ball to an open guy 25 yards away, then ok I guess.

You can't win calling only screens, checkdowns, 6 yard stick routes, and bubble screen type plays. Are we playing to win, or are we playing to get Jones as many 4 yard completions as possible?

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 10:59:55 AMHe called a "trick" play to get receivers open but because the QB is horrible, it was a bad call.

Some perspectives i just don't understand at all.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 11:00:25 AMI hope the fans claiming coaching is the problem are watching the half time show; they're echoing the same things Warner did during the game. 

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 11:01:06 AMYeah, if you ever make sense of it, DM me and help me understand.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 10:59:55 AMHe called a "trick" play to get receivers open but because the QB is horrible, it was a bad call.

Some perspectives i just don't understand at all.

Quote from: files58 on November 10, 2024, 11:00:03 AMI just called my son at college who I know is watching. He said "I don't know what Germany did to deserve this game".

Quote from: Messiah717 on November 10, 2024, 11:01:43 AMJones is miserable but this coach is horrendous.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 10:58:04 AMHow is completely wide open receivers, many of which are fairly short yardage bad calls? Any decent QB can make these and the play is made.

If we had a real QB Daboll would not be getting called out for his playcalling

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 11:02:48 AMBecause all you need is 1 yard and have a dynamic RB who has been playing extremely well. What's so hard to understand about running the ball on 3rd and 1 when you have a good RB and a terrible QB?

For all the bitching about DJ, I don't understand why we'd prefer the ball in his hands vs Tracy's.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 11:02:48 AMBecause all you need is 1 yard and have a dynamic RB who has been playing extremely well. What's so hard to understand about running the ball on 3rd and 1 when you have a good RB and a terrible QB?

For all the bitching about DJ, I don't understand why we'd prefer the ball in his hands vs Tracy's.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 10:58:17 AMIf the point is that the coach is calling plays that require an NFL QB making $40mm a year to be able to throw the ball to an open guy 25 yards away, then ok I guess.

You can't win calling only screens, checkdowns, 6 yard stick routes, and bubble screen type plays. Are we playing to win, or are we playing to get Jones as many 4 yard completions as possible?

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 10:56:49 AMI know; I was being sarcastic.  That was a quote from a poster this offseason.  If you couldn't tell exactly what DJ was years ago, I don't know what to tell you.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 11:03:33 AMYep, all coaches fault  /sarcasm/

No playcaller out there can do any more than he's doing, but ok, his fault the $40M qb can't hit a wide open guy, makes perfect sense

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:05:23 AMDoesn't make it a bad play call. Tracy has been good but he also got stuffed on a run for a loss too.

We can second-guess all day long. Thr fact remains that TWO receivers had at least 3 yards of clear space BOTH in Jones's field of vision and he didn't pull thr trigger.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with that play call.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:05:23 AMDoesn't make it a bad play call. Tracy has been good but he also got stuffed on a run for a loss too.

We can second-guess all day long. Thr fact remains that TWO receivers had at least 3 yards of clear space BOTH in Jones's field of vision and he didn't pull thr trigger.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with that play call.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 11:07:16 AMThey talk about this like Tracy is guaranteed to get the yard, like it is an unquestionable guarantee, like cmon

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 11:10:10 AMWhat if we ran it twice with Tracy and don't convert? Ya'll would still call him a bad playcaller.

Give me a break

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 11:10:10 AMWhat if we ran it twice with Tracy and don't convert? Ya'll would still call him a bad playcaller.

Give me a break

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 11:09:47 AMFunny, because I never posted any such guarantee.

Honest question. Forget about that specific play. On any given play, who would you trust more to do their job, DJ or Tracy? Please give your honest answer.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 10:59:55 AMHe called a "trick" play to get receivers open but because the QB is horrible, it was a bad call.

Some perspectives i just don't understand at all.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 11:09:47 AMFunny, because I never posted any such guarantee.

Honest question. Forget about that specific play. On any given play, who would you trust more to do their job, DJ or Tracy? Please give your honest answer.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:11:58 AMThen that means you would NEVER pass the ball.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 11:00:25 AMI hope the fans claiming coaching is the problem are watching the half time show; they're echoing the same things Warner did during the game.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on November 10, 2024, 11:12:44 AMThe play is also designed to be easy for the QB. Everyone reacts to the run play, giving Jones time to look downfield and he should be able to just throw it as soon as he gets the ball, especially when he has two receivers wide open.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 11:13:55 AMIt's a simple question. Are you willing to answer it?

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 11:12:48 AMTracy, I would trust a pidgeon coated in gorilla glue before Jones, that isn't the point

There is no guarantee that giving it to tracy would have any different results.

Daboll called a played that worked as designed. It was a good call, the QB fucked it up not him.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:15:29 AMOh no!! Tracy gets stuffed on "any given play."  :boooo:

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 11:15:56 AMNot sure why you keep bringing up guarantees. No one is talking about guarantees except you.

Playcalling is all about probability. What is more likely to happen?

And that's why it's a very simple question of what is more likely to happen, Tracy doing his job or DJ?

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 11:16:20 AMAnd the next play he makes a 1st down!

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 11:15:56 AMNot sure why you keep bringing up guarantees. No one is talking about guarantees except you.

Playcalling is all about probability. What is more likely to happen?

And that's why it's a very simple question of what is more likely to happen, Tracy doing his job or DJ?

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 11:16:43 AMOk, so should we abandon the pass completely and run every single play?

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:17:44 AMAnd nothing is guaranteed on "any given play" is my point. It's a 50/50 proposition at best.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 11:22:02 AMWe have dynamic WR, an emerging dynamic RB, all we need is one more piece. 

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 11:22:02 AMWe have dynamic WR, an emerging dynamic RB, all we need is one more piece. 

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:23:37 AMThey are good building blocks but this Thomas issue bothers me.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 11:26:48 AMTerrible run defense, again.  Props to Burns for chasing him down 30 yards down the field. 

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:23:37 AMThey are good building blocks but this Thomas issue bothers me.

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 11:30:27 AMTheir defense now worse than the offense. If that can be true


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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 11:32:55 AMWhy are we so bad against the run? We have an all pro DT and (I thought) a very good MLB in Okereke. Is Okereke overrated? How can we be this bad? Chubba Hubbard is a third rate running back and he looks like Marshall Faulk out there...

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 11:33:08 AMTo be fair, the Def is on pace to give up less than 20 points, while the offense is on pace for 10 points.  I don't think that's a fair assessment.

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 11:34:51 AMGive you that but after a score they can't let the other team march down the field and score


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Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 11:36:35 AM@kingm56 and @Trench  Since I focus on more than DJ's struggles, I knew the defense would allow the pathetic Panther's offense to answer the Giants TD

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 11:36:35 AM@kingm56 and @Trench  Since I focus on more than DJ's struggles, I knew the defense would allow the pathetic Panther's offense to answer the Giants TD

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:39:27 AMNot sure what's going on with Bowen's crew. They all seem lost and unmotivated.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 11:36:35 AM@kingm56 and @Trench  Since I focus on more than DJ's struggles, I knew the defense would allow the pathetic Panther's offense to answer the Giants TD

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:39:27 AMNot sure what's going on with Bowen's crew. They all seem lost and unmotivated.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 11:42:15 AMI'm not exactly sure what this post means??

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 11:42:26 AMGiants should have 1 st pick after today


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Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 11:37:56 AMAhh...you don't pay attention to DJ; that explains your analysis over the last 3 years. 

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 11:45:54 AMYep.
And by f*** we've earned it.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 11:54:45 AMNice couple of passing plays here. Let's get in the end zone on this drive.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:57:02 AMNabers might not last the season or even have a long career. Earlier season concussion and now he's holding his head.

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 11:58:07 AMHe has become soft.    Looks like Beckham in his third year when he would catch ball and go down and not try to extend play after catch like he did first two years as Giant

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Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:57:02 AMNabers might not last the season or even have a long career. Earlier season concussion and now he's holding his head.

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 11:58:07 AMHe has become soft.    Looks like Beckham in his third year when he would catch ball and go down and not try to extend play after catch like he did first two years as Giant


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Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 11:58:07 AMHe has become soft.    Looks like Beckham in his third year when he would catch ball and go down and not try to extend play after catch like he did first two years as Giant


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Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 12:00:49 PMHE NEVER LOOKS DOWN FIELD!!!  ~X(  ~X(  ~X(

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:59:49 AM:o  :o  :o

He was upended and fell on his head. How the hell is he supposed extend that???

Quote from: katkavage on November 10, 2024, 12:02:23 PMHow about that Evan Neal?

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 12:02:02 PMNot talking about that play.   But in general


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Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 12:04:06 PMNabors looks good to go,yeah. I feel better


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Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 12:05:13 PMHow does being good to go make him less soft and Odell esque?

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 12:09:00 PMDid we get away with a horse collar??

Quote from: miss86 on November 10, 2024, 12:09:41 PMCome on, Daniel don't screw it up

Quote from: killarich on November 10, 2024, 12:09:57 PMHe grabbed all shoulder

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 12:13:37 PMLOL...yeah guys, this games on the Defense  We should be focusing on the unit that's allowed less than 20 points.  Give me a break...

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 12:13:13 PMJones red zone INT in a an absolutely huge spot. And he was lucky he didn't get picked on another throw.

Just awful. So fking bad. Impossible to watch.

Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on November 10, 2024, 12:15:54 PMHahahahaha.  OMG.  Now THAT is the Giants we didn't see for the past few minutes. 

Guys, I admire you rooting for the Giants to win.  But to me, clearly, we are best to lose and hopefully Jones will be benched forever after the bye.  It would be typical Giants to see him get hurt against the Colts in January and then we can't cut him.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on November 10, 2024, 12:17:09 PMIt's never the QB to some. Never. There's always another reason why we can ignore one of the absolute worst starting QBs in the league.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 12:18:42 PMJesus...how many throws is DJ going to miss today?

Quote from: killarich on November 10, 2024, 12:18:45 PMGo for it

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 12:18:42 PMJesus...how many throws is DJ going to miss today?

Quote from: katkavage on November 10, 2024, 12:19:06 PMWill these be the last plays we see of Jones in a Giant uniform?

Quote from: Gman329 on November 10, 2024, 12:20:37 PMI think Daniel Jones has started his last game for the Giants.  It's Lock and maybe some DeVito from here on out.

Quote from: Gman329 on November 10, 2024, 12:20:37 PMI think Daniel Jones has started his last game for the Giants.  It's Lock and maybe some DeVito from here on out.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 10, 2024, 12:23:00 PMDJ makes horrible choice to throw to TT on 4th down with him completely covered and no chance to get 1st down plus the bounce pass incompletion to Robinson.  He's done.  Horrible play

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on November 10, 2024, 12:22:00 PMJones is what Lamar Jackson doubters said he would be: a de facto running back who can't throw the ball.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 10, 2024, 12:23:00 PMDJ makes horrible choice to throw to TT on 4th down with him completely covered and no chance to get 1st down plus the bounce pass incompletion to Robinson.  He's done.  Horrible play

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 12:26:07 PMNarratives for new threads tomorrow:

(1) Daboll's play calling are to blame for the inept offense
(2) Daboll's inability to draw up a game plan
(3) Daboll's inability to in-game adjust
(4) Defense's inability to hold the opponent to less than 14 points cost us the game.
(5) O line wasn't good enough.
(6) Nabors doesn't look himself.
(7) Carolina D underrated even though they're last in the league in points per game allowed.
(8) This isn't tennis

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 12:26:07 PMNarratives for new threads tomorrow:

(1) Daboll's play calling are to blame for the inept offense
(2) Daboll's inability to draw up a game plan
(3) Daboll's inability to in-game adjust
(4) Defense's inability to hold the opponent to less than 14 points cost us the game.
(5) O line wasn't good enough.
(6) Nabors doesn't look himself.
(7) Carolina D underrated even though they're last in the league in points per game allowed.
(8) This isn't tennis

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 12:26:07 PMNarratives for new threads tomorrow:

(1) Daboll's play calling are to blame for the inept offense
(2) Daboll's inability to draw up a game plan
(3) Daboll's inability to in-game adjust
(4) Defense's inability to hold the opponent to less than 14 points cost us the game.
(5) O line wasn't good enough.
(6) Nabors doesn't look himself.
(7) Carolina D underrated even though they're last in the league in points per game allowed.
(8) This isn't tennis

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 12:29:28 PMI'm curious, Dave, because I find I often agree with you.

How would you rate Daboll's play-calling these last 2 years? Do feel it is a reasonable opinion to believe that DJ is terrible but that also Daboll'a play-calling is also a problem?

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 12:32:15 PMI guess Hyatt is pretty good after all!!!!

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 12:34:45 PMWhy are we going for it?!  Kick the damn FG. 

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 12:34:45 PMWhy are we going for it?!  Kick the damn FG. 

Quote from: Gmo11 on November 10, 2024, 12:35:49 PMSeems dumb.  Unless they're trying to get one into the end zone.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 12:35:14 PMHow about try to win instead of a FG!

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 12:36:23 PMJones gives us the best chance to win... a higher draft spot.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 12:36:57 PMWe don't need a win!

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 12:37:34 PMGermans get an OT treat! Wunderbar!!!

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 12:37:34 PMGermans get an OT treat! Wunderbar!!!

Quote from: jgrangers2 on November 10, 2024, 12:38:09 PMIs more of this game really a treat though?

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 12:37:34 PMGermans get an OT treat! Wunderbar!!!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 12:33:18 PMHe hasn't been calling plays before this year right (at least not consistently)? Wasn't it Kafka?

I think his play calling is certainly not perfect, but it doesn't jump off the screen as nearly as bad to me as what we got from Garrett, Mike Shula, etc. I would also add that nobody had a negative word to say about his play calling in Buffalo. On the contrary, he was the leading head coaching candidate due to his work there.

So I'd argue the struggles have much more to do with the QB and the offense in general than they do him.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 12:39:10 PMIdk what a wunderbar is but this was funny lol

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 12:38:03 PMIf that's the case then sit the damn QB!

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 12:36:23 PMJones gives us the best chance to win... a higher draft spot.

Quote from: Gmo11 on November 10, 2024, 12:39:07 PMMight be an act of war.

Quote from: katkavage on November 10, 2024, 12:36:33 PMTwo very bad teams.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 12:39:27 PMNope...

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 12:39:16 PMAll totally fair.

While he didn't call plays all year last year, he did take over at some points and call plays.

And I completely agree that bad QB play is the main culprit. But I also believe that replacing DJ will not be a cure-all for this team's issues. I believe that Daboll's play-calling is also part of the problem.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 12:39:16 PMAll totally fair.

While he didn't call plays all year last year, he did take over at some points and call plays.

And I completely agree that bad QB play is the main culprit. But I also believe that replacing DJ will not be a cure-all for this team's issues. I believe that Daboll's play-calling is also part of the problem.

Quote from: MagicRat on November 10, 2024, 12:40:03 PMFixed that for you.

Quote from: katkavage on November 10, 2024, 12:37:50 PMExciting game. Both teams of equal ability.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 12:45:12 PM@Stringer Bell was that a good playcall because we can trust Tracy to do his job?

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 12:45:37 PMI can't kill Tracy for the fumble; without him, it's not even close.  Learn from this moment young man and don't repeat it.

Quote from: miss86 on November 10, 2024, 12:46:11 PMThat handoff was late and dumb

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 12:45:12 PM@Stringer Bell was that a good playcall because we can trust Tracy to do his job?

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 12:47:33 PMKid had a nice game. No need to pile on. In the grand scheme of things, what he learns from this moment will likely have a much bigger impact on his career and the Giants franchise in general

Quote from: Woody on November 10, 2024, 12:47:04 PMReally ?


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