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I'm curious whether or not Bellinger is feeding off Waller in terms of are we seeing marked improvement on Bellinger routes and pass catching (which was already pretty good)

Quote from: Ed Vette on July 28, 2023, 04:47:42 PM@Trench

Awesome...I'm still holding out hope!

Prayers for Jim

Again I watch the replay of Mahomes and he clearly looks off the defenders. This has to be an off season priority for Jones. He made strides in this department this season but against Philadelphia he went STRAIGHT back to his old habits of locking on WR because of the pressure they generated.

I still say the loss is on Kafka because the Eagles were like 24th in run defense and we tried to throw it instead of going full Saquon

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 24, 2023, 05:30:37 PMwas going through some of the scouting notes on him as a passer and one was spot on with his assessment in my opinion and this was about him coming out of college and I still think it is spot on.

"Inconsistent. Rhythm player too easily knocked off rhythm. Prone to questionable decision making in the pocket, including forcing throws into traffic and failing to prioritize ball security. Underdeveloped as a big play, clutch operator. Sub-optimal arm strength, although again it's more than adequate enough to make the full array of NFL throws. Can hold the ball in the pocket too long and has not yet developed instincts for the proper time to break the pocket and scramble. Picturesque overall mechanics can be severely compromised by pressure. Often plays blind to edge rushers and underneath zone defenders. Surprising amount of batted balls for a player of his size and experience".

From TD Scouting

After year 4 that's him in a nut shell from a con perspective though hes minimizedthe turnovers.

Wow!

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 24, 2023, 12:25:54 PMTim,

This sums it up perfectly, I agree with you.

Dak absolutely blew it, because if he played a clean game the Cowboys probably would have won that game, as their defense was incredible.

In DJ's case he also choked, but as you and Mighty brought out he was playing on an inferior team.

However even though that was the case, there were certain plays that you could see the Eagles were in his head, and he was not comfortable mentally.

A) On 2nd and 1 instead of just throwing the ball away, he runs out of bounds and loses 5 yards.
B) He tripped over his own lineman's feet not once but twice.
C) He overthrows a wide-open James which could have been a touchdown.
D) He underthrows Slayton by 5 yards on a go route which could have been another touchdown.
E) He overthrows Bellinger on an easy 5 yard out.

Him losing his contacts on the field wasn't his fault either, but that was the type of day it was for the GMEN.

Also, the Giants defense was absolutely atrocious especially on stopping the run, they gave up over 268 yards.

So even if DJ played a perfect game, they still wouldn't have won because they were outmatched talent wise and dominated physically at the point of attack.

Spot on the money. I would add he also was locked on receivers all night long - something we had not seen in awhile.

Quote from: Billbrown on January 24, 2023, 05:23:23 AMThey won 4 straight in week 4,5,6,and 7. But you keep trying to find all the negatives. But look at the bright side. You may be able to crap all over DJ for the next 3 or 4 years if JS and BD have their way.

Bill

They were talking about AFTER week 6!

I also heard a point today on the WFAN - apparently Jones has trouble winning more than 2 games in a row

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 06:10:29 PMI don't think I would agree with your assertion that Jones "choked".  I think instead of looking at PFF grades for one game, you should look at the INTs and the like ( @Jolly Blue Giant does a great breakdown in the Dak thread).  I really don't see any sort of similarities, especially as Jones had the best game of his career against the 13-4 Vikings in his first playoff game, while Dak FINALLY won a playoff game against a team with a losing record (8-9)

Oh he most certainly did choke.

Just take a look at the interception and running out of bounds instead of throwing it away. He totally choked. Glad we saw it now. He deserves a nice contract and. A chance to be out guy. But it's not on HIS terms. That boat sailed.

Having had a couple days to reflect I believe sitting Jones and the starters against the Eagles 2 weeks ago hurt them a lot more than it helped. This team needs to learn how to win and that was apparent watching Jones panic and lock on receivers for most of the evening.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 08:37:33 AMI have been playing around with a possible contract for DJ.

I think that it will likely be a 5-year deal $200 million with $90 million guaranteed.   This is very rough, and I can see give or take on my numbers.  DJ's $40 million per season would put him at the same level as Prescott and Stafford (and just behind Carr), but ahead of Cousins and Goff.

The structure would be along these lines:

Year one-  Signing bonus $50 M  Guaranteed salary $15 M  cap hit $25 M

Year two-  Guaranteed salary $25 M   cap hit $35 M

Year three-  Roster bonus $30 M  Salary $20 M Cap hit $40 M

Year four- Salary $25 M  Cap hit $45 M

Year five-  Salary $30 M Cap hit $50 M


The way I structured it, the Giants could walk away after two years and only suffer $30 million in dead cap, but offset by $20 mil in salary, for a net $10 mil cap hit.   I also think cap space will be rising, so there is some backloading of the contract.   Year 5 is another walkway year or a time to do a new contract if the Giants so desire.
 

He isn't as good as Goff or Prescott and shouldn't be paid Stafford money either

I'm glad Jones clarified his remarks. I had read it in past tense and that was bothersome. I don't fully even understand what franchising tagging a player means and how it is beneficial or not?...but one thing is for sure - we can't put all our eggs in the Jones basket if that means we won't have $$ to get more players because after last night performance there is severe concern (until Jones proves otherwise in the big game next year)

Speaking a bit in the past tense. Interesting.

If he pushes the envelope too far he may regret it.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2023, 08:58:39 AMI seriously doubt yesterday's game will have any impact on the contract that Jones will be getting with the Giants.  The Giants were collectively overwhelmed last night, and there are zero reasons to place the loss on Jones.

The "well, we can have him back if the price is right" train has long left the station.  The Giants will be retaining Jones, and it will be at least a 4-year contract, and I think the average per will be $35 million or greater.  The only thing I could possibly see (for those who still are not sold on Jones) is that the Giants might structure the contract in a way that the team could bail after a couple of seasons.   Although, I think after the Vikings game, even that possibility is less likely.

Time will tell. I anticipate he lost millions with that performance last night. He did not play well at all and his decisions reverted back to yesteryear. The reason I believe he lost millions is the same reason I would've said he "gained" millions had he played well and won the game.

I wouldn't pay him anything more than a 4 year deal at 25-27 million per. If he wants more than that I'll take my chances in the draft or Tyrod for a year.