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To me the optics are terrible.  The odds don't seem good that the Giants will get Rodgers.  Yet, because they waited for him, whoever is signed instead of Rodgers will clearly be the team's 3rd choice (or 2nd if you are not sold on the idea that Stafford was the team's first choice).  That isn't ideal for the Qb that is signed, coming in as the team's clear plan C.

Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2025, 07:04:49 AMI'm not sure giving 38-year old Matthew Stafford $100 million was a measured approach or a disciplined strategy. And they most certainly would have if he didn't decide to remain with the Rams. No, they need to make a splash to create interest in the team as well as retain their jobs. Where they are now in terms of the QB situation has nothing to do with a measured approach. They are waiting on the big name, Rodgers or they would have signed the other lesser names by now. And if they could, they would also trade for the number one pick sacrificing assets in draft picks this year and next. But I believe Tennessee will not make that move unless they are given the moon.

So, you're resorting to hypotheticals to maintain your false narrative? Let's address the actual facts. The Giants neither offered Matthew Stafford a $100 million contract nor gave up any draft capital to acquire him. Contrary to your predictions, none of these supposed scenarios have materialized. In fact, quite the opposite is true: Schoen has not mortgaged the Giants' future in an effort to save his job; instead, his measured strategy has focused on sustainable roster-building.  The significant players acquired are young with potential upside—it would be more constructive to acknowledge that your dire predictions have not come to pass. Instead, the Giants have positioned themselves for ongoing development rather than short-term desperation.  The fact that you resorted to a hypothetical scenario should be sufficient evidence that your assertions regarding Schoen's motivations and actions were unfounded.

Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2025, 07:04:49 AMI'm not sure giving 38-year old Matthew Stafford $100 million was a measured approach or a disciplined strategy. And they most certainly would have if he didn't decide to remain with the Rams. No, they need to make a splash to create interest in the team as well as retain their jobs. Where they are now in terms of the QB situation has nothing to do with a measured approach. They are waiting on the big name, Rodgers or they would have signed the other lesser names by now. And if they could, they would also trade for the number one pick sacrificing assets in draft picks this year and next. But I believe Tennessee will not make that move unless they are given the moon.

This could very well be the case. A name like Rodgers would hold fan interest. I have to wonder if they are concerned about losing Season Ticket Fans based on early returns. Merchandise sales would certainly pick up. Right up until the point he gets Schoen and Daboll fired.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 20, 2025, 09:44:52 AMThis could very well be the case. A name like Rodgers would hold fan interest. I have to wonder if they are concerned about losing Season Ticket Fans based on early returns. Merchandise sales would certainly pick up. Right up until the point he gets Schoen and Daboll fired.

Based on the reactions I have seen here, I wonder if Rodgers would cost as many fans as he would gain.

Quote from: kartanoman on March 19, 2025, 08:11:26 PMAn opportunity for the fans to speak!

It says so much more than a plane banner.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2025, 09:47:30 AMBased on the reactions I have seen here, I wonder if Rodgers would cost as many fans as he would gain.

It could and I would expect it. However, if I measure fan interest based on our site's metrics, February posts are down 23% from 2024 and down 32% from 2023, and... sit down for this one...down 52% from 2022.

If it wasn't for you Rich, posting new topics every day to create conversation, this site would be dead. Not because of the site, but for lack of interest and having general disgust in this organization. 

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 20, 2025, 09:44:52 AMThis could very well be the case. A name like Rodgers would hold fan interest. I have to wonder if they are concerned about losing Season Ticket Fans based on early returns. Merchandise sales would certainly pick up. Right up until the point he gets Schoen and Daboll fired.

In today's NFL landscape, where ticket exchanges and other lucrative revenue streams abound, I believe this particular point is no longer relevant. Regardless of on-field performance, that seat will be sold. Notably, the Washington Commanders, New York Jets, Chicago Bears, and Houston Texans are all among the most valuable franchises in the league, even though they have collectively endured multiple seasons of subpar play.  Those seats were sold...

Quote from: kingm56 on March 20, 2025, 09:38:57 AMSo, you're resorting to hypotheticals to maintain your false narrative? Let's address the actual facts. The Giants neither offered Matthew Stafford a $100 million contract nor gave up any draft capital to acquire him. Contrary to your predictions, none of these supposed scenarios have materialized. In fact, quite the opposite is true: Schoen has not mortgaged the Giants' future in an effort to save his job; instead, his measured strategy has focused on sustainable roster-building.  The significant players acquired are young with potential upside—it would be more constructive to acknowledge that your dire predictions have not come to pass. Instead, the Giants have positioned themselves for ongoing development rather than short-term desperation.  The fact that you resorted to a hypothetical scenario should be sufficient evidence that your assertions regarding Schoen's motivations and actions were unfounded.

I would be more inclined to agree with this if it wasn't abundantly clear that they are allowing Aaron Freaking Rodgers of all people to hold their team hostage.  Stafford would have been different as that guy is still very good.  He damn near beat the Eagles last year in the playoffs which would have been surreal.  I'd have understood bringing that guy onto this roster and taking a run at it, but he didn't want to go to NY and I don't blame him.  LA is nice. 

At this point if you want a vet, Wilson is ready to sign.  Winston is wandering around doing Winston things he'd sign if you offered something.  Or if you are ready to roll with a rookie whoever that rookie might be, then GREAT!  Do that!  But sitting around with your thumb up your ass while we await the decisions of a crazy person is, in fact, equally crazy. 

On the whole I've liked Schoen a lot.  I like the way he's built this roster particularly given the dumpster fire he was handed by Gettleman.  Not perfect but overall this roster is not that bad right now.  But this is one thing I really can't defend.  There's no need for Rodgers to infect this team like the virus that he is.  He's not even good anymore. 

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 20, 2025, 09:57:45 AMIt could and I would expect it. However, if I measure fan interest based on our site's metrics, February posts are down 23% from 2024 and down 32% from 2023, and... sit down for this one...down 52% from 2022.

If it wasn't for you Rich, posting new topics every day to create conversation, this site would be dead. Not because of the site, but for lack of interest and having general disgust in this organization.

I wonder if that will change when the Giants draft a QB, presumably with their 3rd pick.  Will Sanders (who I think is the favorite for the QB the Giants draft) re-ignite the lost passions of the fanbase?

Quote from: kingm56 on March 20, 2025, 09:59:41 AMIn today's NFL landscape, where ticket exchanges and other lucrative revenue streams abound, I believe this particular point is no longer relevant. Regardless of on-field performance, that seat will be sold. Notably, the Washington Commanders, New York Jets, Chicago Bears, and Houston Texans are all among the most valuable franchises in the league, even though they have collectively endured multiple seasons of subpar play.  Those seats were sold...

If you think John Mara doesn't care about losing his own fan base, then I have to strongly disagree with you.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2025, 10:02:46 AMI wonder if that will change when the Giants draft a QB, presumably with their 3rd pick.  Will Sanders (who I think is the favorite for the QB the Giants draft) re-ignite the lost passions of the fanbase?

Sanders would be a media pick and quite transparent to me. He's not going to be their best choice unless Ward and Dart are off the table.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2025, 10:02:46 AMI wonder if that will change when the Giants draft a QB, presumably with their 3rd pick.  Will Sanders (who I think is the favorite for the QB the Giants draft) re-ignite the lost passions of the fanbase?

To @Ed Vette  's point, Rich @MightyGiants  , your post above is enough to start/restart the conversation even though there's a dedicated thread on that very subject (i.e. Sanders and QB situation).

But I agree with Ed and continue to be grateful for all your efforts in posting a wide variety of Giants and football-related topics for us to comment on.

Peace!

Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition.  Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.

Thus far, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Instead, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when contrasted with the previous regime's more extravagant spending in 2016, which saw roughly $200 million allocated to Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. Similarly, in 2021, Dave Gettleman's desperation culminated in about $140 million spent on players like Kenny Golladay, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Rudolph, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Mike Glennon, Zach Fulton, and Reggie Ragland.  In contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within disciplined financial parameters, preferring to wait for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments

Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability. 

In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.

This was an excellent post, free of emotion and frustration.

I have been firmly in Schoen's and Daboll's camp but not blindly. It's difficult to not believe the "reports" that have come out expressing the Giants' interest in Rodgers but I also know that this is the smokescreen season. To my knowledge, only Wilson, Flacco, and Winston have been brought in to see the Giants. Now, that doesn't mean that Schoen couldn't have spoken with Rodgers and his reps via calls or in-person, a la Stafford. I'm on the fence as to what to believe.

I've gone on record that I don't want Rodgers. My support for Schoen/Daboll is primarily contingent on their want for Rodgers. If they get him, I'm done. If it turns out they tried and missed, I'm probably done as well.

Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2025, 09:00:17 AMThey need a QB now along with a draft pick. There are QBs available now. Why haven't they signed one? What is holding them back?

Why do they need a QB now?  They can draft one and get a veteran after cuts.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 20, 2025, 10:15:05 AMWhy do they need a QB now?  They can draft one and get after cuts.

They can. Unless one they might want signs with another team before the draft further limiting their options. Why wait if you know all those who are available now? The only reason that makes any sense is that they are waiting on Rodgers as are the Steelers. But the Steelers are a playoff team. The Giants are a three win team with coach and GM on the hot seat.