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Just read that Travis Hunter didn't run a 40 at his pro day. That is a gigantic red flag for me. If he was a legit 4.4 guy he'd run it. He plays two positions where speed is at a premium. After watch Neal struggle with speed rushes Schoen shouldn't waste a high draft pick on a guy too scared to put a time on paper. Hard pass for me.

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Quote from: MightyGiants on April 04, 2025, 03:30:08 PMhttps://x.com/DMRussini/status/1908236404947300637

By my calculation, that was an 80-yard pass

I am pretty much convinced Giants will NOT be taking Sanders at 3.

However a trade back up in round 1 should he slide is possible.

Forgetting Sanders and Ward for a minute..... what other QB in this draft tickles your fancy

If any?

I am not a Milton fan at all, I see no real strong QB skill but just a guy you can gimmick with. This guy is nowhere near a Lamar Jackson or Jayden Daniels type. He is all run, no pass.

WIll Howard intrigues me and right or wrong, fits the Giants rigid prototype: 6'4 or taller, 225 or more, strong arm, decent character, not flamboyant.

I like Tyler SHough's tape a lot but does the broken bone  and age stuff scare you?

McCord ...decision amking was horrible but change of scenery did him good. Some good traits....

Dart ....is he more fools good like Matt Corral in that one read Kiffin offense or is he more than a one read guy who just happened to play in a one read offense. Lot of qualities to like with him if in fact hecan go through progressions

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 04, 2025, 08:45:27 PM

I will say, that I am underwhelmed when I hear him speak

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 04, 2025, 11:08:34 PMForgetting Sanders and Ward for a minute..... what other QB in this draft tickles your fancy

If any?

I am not a Milton fan at all, I see no real strong QB skill but just a guy you can gimmick with. This guy is nowhere near a Lamar Jackson or Jayden Daniels type. He is all run, no pass.

WIll Howard intrigues me and right or wrong, fits the Giants rigid prototype: 6'4 or taller, 225 or more, strong arm, decent character, not flamboyant.

I like Tyler SHough's tape a lot but does the broken bone  and age stuff scare you?

McCord ...decision amking was horrible but change of scenery did him good. Some good traits....

Dart ....is he more fools good like Matt Corral in that one read Kiffin offense or is he more than a one read guy who just happened to play in a one read offense. Lot of qualities to like with him if in fact hecan go through progressions

You're helmet scouting Dart. There is no comparison between him and Matt Corral. Corral didn't fail because he wasn't good, the kid had a mental breakdown which had nothing to do with how he throws a ball. People did the same thing when CJ Stroud came out, they helmet scouted him and assumed he was going to be Dewayne Haskins 2.0 because they went to the same school even though they were two completely different players. Also it isn't a 1 read offense, that's another misconception as Dart does go through progressions.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 05, 2025, 08:49:04 AMYou're helmet scouting Dart. There is no comparison between him and Matt Corral. Corral didn't fail because he wasn't good, the kid had a mental breakdown which had nothing to do with how he throws a ball. People did the same thing when CJ Stroud came out, they helmet scouted him and assumed he was going to be Dewayne Haskins 2.0 because they went to the same school even though they were two completely different players. Also it isn't a 1 read offense, that's another misconception as Dart does go through progressions.

Not at all. If you read what I said, I posed it as an either/or scenario with no true judgement or opinion either way while stating that if he is more than a one read type QB there are a lot of qualities to like with him.

However, I do believe the Kiffin offense while not exclusively 1 read (almost no offense is ) it does heavily rely on less reads and more straightforward concepts that are usually on average much more nuanced in the NFL. So that absolutely is a factor to consider in the evaluation.

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 05, 2025, 11:25:25 AMNot at all. If you read what I said, I posed it as an either/or scenario with no true judgement or opinion either way while stating that if he is more than a one read type QB there are a lot of qualities to like with him.

However, I do believe the Kiffin offense while not exclusively 1 read (almost no offense is ) it does heavily rely on less reads and more straightforward concepts that are usually on average much more nuanced in the NFL. So that absolutely is a factor to consider in the evaluation.

It's not a kiffin thing, Jayden Daniels ran virtually the same exact offense in 2023 +/- a very few things, when he was at LSU before that OC left and tried to replicate the same success with Riley Leonard who didn't have the arm for it. I don't see anyone saying Jayden Daniels was a one read Qb when he came out. The reality is that they put in headsets this year allowing the head coach or OC to have 15 seconds between each play to talk to the Qb. This allowed OCs and HCs who were offensive savants to read the defenses and to notify the Qb of his top progressions or hot reads with the most likely success. This wasn't a kiffin thing, this was all of college football. Gone are the days of Huddles, and qbs going through 5 progressions, it's not going to happen ever again. Cam Ward didn't do, Sanders didn't do it even when he holds the ball for an eternity. The pace of the game, along with the headsets have transformed the college game to the point that if you are talking multiple progressions you have to discuss that about every prospect. Because despite most of the media having a lazy assessment of kiffins offense based on what it was back at Alabama, he has incorporated a ton of pro concepts, and revolutionized the space/quick game which the offenses in the NFL are moving to anyways with every defense running cover 2.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 05, 2025, 11:47:03 AMIt's not a kiffin thing, Jayden Daniels ran virtually the same exact offense in 2023 +/- a very few things, when he was at LSU before that OC left and tried to replicate the same success with Riley Leonard who didn't have the arm for it. I don't see anyone saying Jayden Daniels was a one read Qb when he came out. The reality is that they put in headsets this year allowing the head coach or OC to have 15 seconds between each play to talk to the Qb. This allowed OCs and HCs who were offensive savants to read the defenses and to notify the Qb of his top progressions or hot reads with the most likely success. This wasn't a kiffin thing, this was all of college football. Gone are the days of Huddles, and qbs going through 5 progressions, it's not going to happen ever again. Cam Ward didn't do, Sanders didn't do it even when he holds the ball for an eternity. The pace of the game, along with the headsets have transformed the college game to the point that if you are talking multiple progressions you have to discuss that about every prospect. Because despite most of the media having a lazy assessment of kiffins offense based on what it was back at Alabama, he has incorporated a ton of pro concepts, and revolutionized the space/quick game which the offenses in the NFL are moving to anyways with every defense running cover 2.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see this at all.

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 05, 2025, 11:56:17 AMWe'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see this at all.

This forum is here to have conversations and friendly debates, it is ok to agree and disagree. Infact we all learn more at times when we do disagree.

All good 👊

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 05, 2025, 12:02:02 PMThis forum is here to have conversations and friendly debates, it is ok to agree and disagree. Infact we all learn more at times when we do disagree.

All good 👊

I think Dart has a bunch of good qualities but like most of the QBs in this draft the bust rate/risk factor just smells way to high to me to consider in top 15. That said I'd have no issue taking him back half of the first on a trade up from 34.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 05, 2025, 07:55:37 AMI will say, that I am underwhelmed when I hear him speak

That's one reason I posted it. Remember, he's the face of the Franchise. This is where the Owners step in with their input. Compare him to Russell Wilson or even Eli and Jones and they communicate at a different level. The other thing to pick up on is that his confidence is cockiness. How coachable will he be without his father? He has a lot to improve on. Pundits gloss over the weaknesses, but the team has to improve them or he WILL fail. Not to single him out, but every QB in this class has areas of improvement. This is where the interview process and feedback from other players, Coaches, and schoolmates become so important. I saw an interview of him at the combine, and with all due respect, since he was with a teammate and an observer, he came off like he just smoked a joint. He's a naturally happy and confident guy and that's just his personality. Rich, I don't see him here. Too bad because this kid has overachieved at every level. He's a tough kid with the intestinal fortitude that it takes to be a successful starter in this league. He's had a spotlight on him his entire life, having to live up to a legend.