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They met or spoke with Mbow so some Giants interest there as well.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 20, 2025, 11:14:10 AMWatch the Jon Gruden video, McCord has it in the classroom

Gruden really likes him...no doubt..it's not like the Buckeyes wanted him gone..as mentioned..it was his choice to enhance his game with the Orangemen and coach..and he did.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 20, 2025, 09:17:41 AMI like McCord, and I think that with a trade down in the 2nd round, he would be an ideal target.  Here is how my mock draft played out, doing just that:

Curious.  Besides pick #76 what else was part of the trade?

What's the plan with roster spots if we draft a QB? Are we carrying three QBs on the roster?

I assume DeVito will be gone (or at most PS) but we already have Winston and Wilson. If they drafted McCord will the plan be to put three QBs on the roster? Or will one magically get a fake injury and be on the PUP?

Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on April 20, 2025, 11:51:30 AMCurious.  Besides pick #76 what else was part of the trade?

The blue dots indicate the trade.  Essentially I picked up another 3rd to move down in the 2nd

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 20, 2025, 09:20:25 AMOne other thought on McCord.  I found it "interesting" (as Spock would say) that after they had a McCord visit, they publicized their "private" visits with three other QBs.

Very possibly smoke...it's that time of the year

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 20, 2025, 10:06:38 AMRich: Interesting. And uncharacteristic for you IMO.

I would not trade the second pick to move down (up, yes... down, no). I an more than fairly certain we will see a player the Giants have ranked between 10 and 15 over-all who is still available somewhere from Pick 22 thru Pick 30. I would move up for that player.

I do like McCord, but if they trade down 10 picks as you propose, there are nine other slots between where a QB-needy (or QB-desirous) team can trade up to and take McCord. If the Giants think he's worth Pick 44 it is IMO highly likely at least one other team agrees.

Bob

If that is true, no team should trade down for more picks.
Unless the Giants, or any team, is so in love with a player and think he is vastly underrated, they would REACH and take that player, much higher than his average ratings.
In this draft, after the consensus top 3, there are at least 4 QBs that are closely rated. If the Giants see it that way too, why not take advantage of that and add picks, while getting one of them?

Quote from: Philosophers on April 20, 2025, 08:03:49 AMMcCord said the Giants tested him more than any other team.  That is telling IMHO.  I like him and think he offers some very good qualities.  He can continue to get stronger and develop his already good mechanics to become a stronger thrower.  My one question about him is that he is not really athletic at all.  He is a pocket passer only.  Is that something that in today's football we can live with?  I really like a QB with the ability to tuck and run occasionally to make it harder on defenses.  Though I must admit, a QB wins with his arm, not with his legs.

I've watched a lot of his games. It's not that he can't run, because I've seen him take off a couple of times. He just prefers to get the ball to the skill guys and let them do their thing. He's pretty savvy in the pocket and seems to have a keen sense when and where to move, but he rarely panics and takes off...which is one of the problems with QBs known for running the ball. Being fast can be an advantage, or a problem. If a QB takes off a lot, he's probably giving up on getting the ball to a skill player...and also, a running QB is one-hit away from a season ending injury - or worse, a career ending one

IMOFWIW...a QB is better off to throw the ball to the ground when a play is dead, then to take off and risk injury. But that's just my opinion. What I do know, is that McCord would win a foot race with Eli...lol

Was Tom Brady a dual threat?!

Quote from: GloryDays on April 20, 2025, 12:30:38 PMIf that is true, no team should trade down for more picks.
Unless the Giants, or any team, is so in love with a player and think he is vastly underrated, they would REACH and take that player, much higher than his average ratings.
In this draft, after the consensus top 3, there are at least 4 QBs that are closely rated. If the Giants see it that way too, why not take advantage of that and add picks, while getting one of them?

Your theory reminds me of when we drafted Osi Umenyiora in the 2nd round. Mel Kiper almost fell out of his chair saying they could have had him in the 3rd or 4th and asked, "what are they doing?". Then the rest of the media piled on calling it a huge drafting mistake. Only to discover later, that a couple teams had every plan to take him if he got past the Giants. And Osi worked out just fine, even if the media world had him listed on their board as a fourth rounder with risks attached

Bottom line: If your team's GM and staff really believe a certain player is just what they need or want, they take him when they have the chance and won't risk it. Also, they couldn't care less about the media rankings of a player or the dozens of lists out there in the internet world. They only care about getting the player they feel is best for the team - period. They really don't care if the fans boo or not, it is NOT the fans' nuts on the line

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 20, 2025, 12:49:45 PMYour theory reminds me of when we drafted Osi Umenyiora in the 2nd round. Mel Kiper almost fell out of his chair saying they could have had him in the 3rd or 4th and asked, "what are they doing?". Then the rest of the media piled on calling it a huge drafting mistake. Only to discover later, that a couple teams had every plan to take him if he got past the Giants. And Osi worked out just fine, even if the media world had him listed on their board as a fourth rounder with risks attached

Bottom line: If your team's GM and staff really believe a certain player is just what they need or want, they take him when they have the chance and won't risk it. Also, they couldn't care less about the media rankings of a player or the dozens of lists out there in the internet world. They only care about getting the player they feel is best for the team - period. They really don't care if the fans boo or not, it is NOT the fans' nuts on the line

As I did say, IF a team thinks a player ( QB) is very underrated and feels like there are other QB needy teams that have been checking him out, and if they trade down, losing him is big, with no other options,  then they have to not gamble.

Quote from: GloryDays on April 20, 2025, 01:00:09 PMAs I did say, IF a team thinks a player ( QB) is very underrated and feels like there are other QB needy teams that have been checking him out, and if they trade down, losing him is big, with no other options,  then they have to not gamble.

The one team I wonder about is the Steelers, who'll be drafting at no.21. They spent time with McCord and could take him as they are definitely a QB needy team. Also, another QB needy team who might have fallen in love with him, could potentially trade up into the first round to grab him, if they are that sure of his potential. I'm not sure the NFL's cigar-smoking, backroom dealers aren't fully aware of the Giants' interest in McCord. And of course, that in itself could be a red herring, and maybe Schoen and company really want Sanders, or Dart, or Milroe 

And if the Giants are really set on McCord, they could possibly trade back into the first to get him and lock him up for five years on the cheap...especially cheap if it's towards the back end of the first

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 20, 2025, 01:13:40 PMThe one team I wonder about is the Steelers, who'll be drafting at no.21. They spent time with McCord and could take him as they are definitely a QB needy team. Also, another QB needy team who might have fallen in love with him, could potentially trade up into the first round to grab him, if they are that sure of his potential. I'm not sure the NFL's cigar-smoking, backroom dealers aren't fully aware of the Giants' interest in McCord. And of course, that in itself could be a red herring, and maybe Schoen and company really want Sanders, or Dart, or Milroe 

And if the Giants are really set on McCord, they could possibly trade back into the first to get him and lock him up for five years on the cheap...especially cheap if it's towards the back end of the first

I don't see any scenario where 6 QBs are taken in the first 2 rounds. And I don't see any scenario where McCord goes before Shough and Milroe.

Yes, stranger things have happened, but I'd bet the farm that McCord is available in the 3rd.

Quote from: GloryDays on April 20, 2025, 12:30:38 PMno team should trade down for more picks.

Glory: Here's why I disagree with that. It depends on the team, the strength of their roster, whether  they are currently a contender, and their chief reason for wanting to trade down. Regardless whether your statement above is true or false, in the case of today's Giants, I think Rich's decision to trade down was not something I would do.

We don't need more picks. We need better picks and fewer busts. And most importantly, IMO, we need more "bell cows" and fewer "cattle.

The percentage of "bell cows" found below round two is tiny compared to the percent drafted in rounds one and two.

Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 20, 2025, 05:27:24 PMGlory: Here's why I disagree with that. It depends on the team, the strength of their roster, whether  they are currently a contender, and their chief reason for wanting to trade down. Regardless whether your statement above is true or false, in the case of today's Giants, I think Rich's decision to trade down was not something I would do.

We don't need more picks. We need better picks and fewer busts. And most importantly, IMO, we need more "bell cows" and fewer "cattle.

The percentage of "bell cows" found below round two is tiny compared to the percent drafted in rounds one and two.

Bob

The Giants third round jinx is league renowned. Dru Phillips can't sleep well at night.