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You trust Daboll will do better? This guy is Joe Judge 2.0. He might be worse. That 6-1 start is basically saving him.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 12, 2023, 10:34:20 PMI can read the tweet and it is meaningless. Tynes is not a serious football critic. I don't see him on TV. I don't hear him on the radio. Anyone can post on X. So why should we take anything he posts seriously?

I must have misunderstood you.  I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.  Most of the tweets I have seen from him (admittedly very few as I also do not use twitter) were just as meaningless.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 12, 2023, 10:34:20 PMI can read the tweet and it is meaningless. Tynes is not a serious football critic. I don't see him on TV. I don't hear him on the radio. Anyone can post on X. So why should we take anything he posts seriously?

I get that but he influences the followers as does the media and other former players. When the collective then turn against the team, it has a real effect on the owners and they make rash decisions.

That's what this thread is all about. It's not calling out for Daboll to be fired. It's saying all of these issues may result in him not surviving.

The last thing I want is to lose yet another HC after two seasons.

Quote from: bobalobabingbong on November 12, 2023, 10:37:25 PMI must have misunderstood you.  I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.  Most of the tweets I have seen from him (admittedly very few as I also do not use twitter) were just as meaningless.

Quote from: Giantleap56 on November 12, 2023, 10:36:48 PM48-22
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You trust Daboll will do better? This guy is Joe Judge 2.0. He might be worse. That 6-1 start is basically saving him.

Dallas has more talent at every single position than the Giants. Put Barry Switzer on the sideline for Dallas and put Parcells or Coughlin on the Giants and the results would be pretty damn close.

We had a full complement of starters against them in the season opener and got shut out. Dallas didn't pull their starters until late in the 4th and we still couldn't score.

Today, we trotted out a 3rd string rookie at QB and put up 17 points. Daboll is not the problem. Let him pick his QB instead of asking him to play with someone else's leftovers.

Quote from: Giantleap56 on November 12, 2023, 10:36:48 PM48-22
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You trust Daboll will do better? This guy is Joe Judge 2.0. He might be worse. That 6-1 start is basically saving him.

Daboll took over a bad team last year that should have won 4-5 games and ended up winning 9. Winning 9 games last year likely did himself, Joe Schoen and this entire franchise a disservice because it delayed the reset this team needed. It completely changed how they approached the offseason and threw short-term expectations out of whack. They probably needed to start over at the QB position even if that meant just bringing in a bridge guy like Baker Mayfield or Jameis Winston while waiting for an opportunity to draft their QB.

There isn't a position group on this team where we are even remotely on par with the Cowboys and Eagles and yet I still see Giants' fans in utter disbelief when they completely blow us out. This was a mediocre roster at best even before we lost our top 2 QBs and becomes one of the worst with our third string QB in there. Getting blown out like this is not an indictment on the coaches, it's an indictment on the roster that is still in the rebuilding phase.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 12, 2023, 06:00:33 PMAnd that means the entire Coaching Staff goes. Wink included. This is bad, this is very, very bad.

Ed: Are the title and original post representative of your personal viewpoint, or are you making a prediction? Bob

I missed the game. Lucky me. But from all reports, Daboll lost, or is losing, an already bad team. Hate to bring this up, but I was on record as hoping the Giants would hire Flores. I wonder how much different results would have been? Would they be as undisciplined a team? We will never know.

This team will be miserable the next several years. 

Quote from: Messiah717 on November 13, 2023, 05:38:10 AMThis team will be miserable the next several years. 

If they draft a capable QB they have enough picks/FA money to make the playoffs next year. But they HAVE to hit on the QB or nothing else matters.

Quote from: Messiah717 on November 13, 2023, 05:38:10 AMThis team will be miserable the next several years. 

I think it's impossible to make such a statement with any confidence. NFL teams can, and frequently do, turn from garbage into something respectable (or better than that in 1-2 years).

I am certainly not saying we will definitely do that. I really don't know. But the idea that it's impossible or that a "several year" forecast can be made today is far-fetched to me. I wonder how many fans back in 2011-2012 would have believed that the team was a year away from being a bottom three or four NFL franchise for the ensuing decade.

Answer: almost zero, if not actually zero.

Reality: the NFL is structured in a way that makes it very hard to predict what a team will look like beyond a couple of years at most.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 12, 2023, 10:42:02 PMI get that but he influences the followers as does the media and other former players. When the collective then turn against the team, it has a real effect on the owners and they make rash decisions.

That's what this thread is all about. It's not calling out for Daboll to be fired. It's saying all of these issues may result in him not surviving.

The last thing I want is to lose yet another HC after two seasons.

Ugg you used the "I" word. Influencer. This SM phenomenon is so gross. But since you brought it up who exactly is our former kicker "influencing"? I care about what Carl Banks thinks not Tynes.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 13, 2023, 08:30:26 AMUgg you used the "I" word. Influencer. This SM phenomenon is so gross. But since you brought it up who exactly is our former kicker "influencing"? I care about what Carl Banks thinks not Tynes.

Sometimes all you have to do is float an idea and let someone else run with it. Whether it has merit or not, if the "right" person/people get behind it, it will take off.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 13, 2023, 08:30:26 AMUgg you used the "I" word. Influencer. This SM phenomenon is so gross. But since you brought it up who exactly is our former kicker "influencing"? I care about what Carl Banks thinks not Tynes.

His followers who then influence others. Did you see Ralph's tweet that I put up? Schneier's? Then they get hundreds of comments which influence attitude. The whole thing then snowballs. Causation.

Perception of the fan base influences the owners. You've been around long enough to see what happens with this organization.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 13, 2023, 12:49:13 AMEd: Are the title and original post representative of your personal viewpoint, or are you making a prediction? Bob

If moves aren't made and things continue status quo, what does that show Mara and Tisch? It's an observation through experience Bob.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 13, 2023, 08:48:40 AMIf moves aren't made and things continue status quo, what does that show Mara and Tisch? It's an observation through experience Bob.

Your observation is not without basis. I think Daboll most definitely gets a third year. If they draft a QB in April, it will possible buy Daboll a 4th, depending on what improvements the team makes (being competitive each week).