Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: katkavage on February 14, 2024, 11:47:26 AMNot to mention the fantasy that he will be ready before October.

I don't think it's unrealistic to think that Jones might be able to start the regular season.  That said, there is no guarantee Jones will be ready.  Plus, even if he is ready to play, it's very unlikely his full athletism will have returned at that point.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 14, 2024, 11:07:35 AMI have to think the Giants were guilty of gross negligence.  How could they sign Jones to that contract when they knew he was at higher risk of future neck injuries????

Without any empirical evidence, and based on past performance I firmly believe Jones' contract is 100% attributed to Mara. The two year out is a compromise to Schoen/Dabol.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 14, 2024, 11:57:06 AMI don't think it's unrealistic to think that Jones might be able to start the regular season.  That said, there is no guarantee Jones will be ready.  Plus, even if he is ready to play, it's very unlikely his full athletism will have returned at that point.

Not many athletes, especially those playing in the demanding NFL, are back before a year. Murray, who had the same injury, returned maybe a month under a year and wasn't close to his old form. He will be an exception if he does. And yes, if he does he won't be close to his prior form. That usually takes at least a few more months to another year. I think it is unrealistic to think he will be ready by opening day, but they might push him out there in which case the chance of another injury increases.

Quote from: files58 on February 14, 2024, 01:48:20 PMWithout any empirical evidence, and based on past performance I firmly believe Jones' contract is 100% attributed to Mara. The two year out is a compromise to Schoen/Dabol.

Usually, the medical staff trumps all.  When the medical staff says a player is off the board or should be released or not re-signed, their word is usually the end of the conversation.

Seems unlikely that Mara would over-ride the medical staff if they had blacklisted DJ.  Seems more likely that the medical staff failed to properly evaluate DJ's medical risk.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 14, 2024, 09:15:42 AMLarry,

Most of the external links (if not all of them) are not from Giants fans.  They are from the draftnik community.  Despite your suggestion of "desperation," they have nothing to be desperate about.  The reality is that many in this community have connections to NFL teams.  Now that McCarthy has declared, teams are taking a closer look at McCarthy, and they are liking what they see.  So word is leaking out how good NFL teams think McCarthy is.  I recently posted an article about the stats of all the QB prospects (a good read for the statistically oriented).  I found these stats most impressive. 

Rich, you can't imagine that I was referring to anyone other than Giants fans, can you? Surely, you must know that, and also that there is no such thing as leaking among the pundits, experts and insiders, or the "draftnik community"- of how many hundreds?- except in service of an agenda. And for which accuracy is hardly more than an afterthought.

There is nothing wrong in that as long as we understand that it is we, individually, who cherry-pick from among them, whether attributed or not, in service of own agendas. Moreover, should we choose to promote or proselytize in favor of our agenda, that is our privilege.

The statistical data you have provided will be weighed and perhaps found useful by folks here as we must assume is already so by the team's own eventual Draft decision-makers. Unfortunately, we can do little more than guess that, if not second guess it, after the fact.

Perhaps, I should make clear that while I don't share the notion that the Giants should or will take McCarthy with their No.6 overall pick, should they do so, I will support the choice fully- full stop. If they decide that he will give them the most present or future value, then count me in. 

I must say, however that as I see more recent Silly Season QB scenarios beginning to undulate as to where and by whom Maye and Daniels may be taken, I can only think- so what's new? Certainly not our feelings of need, nor our impulsiveness, nor our naivete.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on February 14, 2024, 02:16:44 PMRich, you can't imagine that I was referring to anyone other than Giants fans, can you? Surely, you must know that, and also that there is no such thing as leaking among the pundits, experts and insiders, or the "draftnik community"- of how many hundreds?- except in service of an agenda. And for which accuracy is hardly more than an afterthought.

There is nothing wrong in that as long as we understand that it is we, individually, who cherry-pick from among them, whether attributed or not, in service of own agendas. Moreover, should we choose to promote or proselytize in favor of our agenda, that is our privilege.

The statistical data you have provided will be weighed and perhaps found useful by folks here as we must assume is already so by the team's own eventual Draft decision-makers. Unfortunately, we can do little more than guess that, if not second guess it, after the fact.

Perhaps, I should make clear that while I don't share the notion that the Giants should or will take McCarthy with their No.6 overall pick, should they do so, I will support the choice fully- full stop. If they decide that he will give them the most present or future value, then count me in. 

I must say, however that as I see more recent Silly Season QB scenarios beginning to undulate as to where and by whom Maye and Daniels may be taken, I can only think- so what's new? Certainly not our feelings of need, nor our impulsiveness, nor our naivete.

Cheers!

Larry,

If the Giants are interested in McCarthy (or perhaps one of the current elite 3 who might be pushed down by McCarthy) would you expect Joe to play it close to the vest and give no hints the Giants might be drafting a QB?

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 14, 2024, 03:38:23 PMLarry,

If the Giants are interested in McCarthy (or perhaps one of the current elite 3 who might be pushed down by McCarthy) would you expect Joe to play it close to the vest and give no hints the Giants might be drafting a QB?

I have no way of knowing.

After all these years together, you still don't seem to get me, Rich. I have no interest in guessing what anyone else, up to and including Joe Schoen, might choose to do in any given situation or circumstance. It certainly doesn't matter to him what I might think he thinks about any of it.

While I will share my thinking, my preferences and choices, if asked and already have done so in this regard, I see nothing to be gained by "guessing" what someone else might do, which all too often leads to after-the-fact "second-guessing", a most distasteful activity in which to engage.

Although with a full appreciation of the daunting, often unpredictable, challenges faced by each and every team, every year, I think only of success and the pleasure of rooting. There is no guessing only hoping involved in that.

Certainly, I am not without fault especially when I fail to control my impatience with those I find to be insincere and/or a bit too self-absorbed, or little more than media lackies. Shame on me for that.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on February 14, 2024, 06:07:01 PMI have no way of knowing.

After all these years together, you still don't seem to get me, Rich. I have no interest in guessing what anyone else, up to and including Joe Schoen, might choose to do in any given situation or circumstance. It certainly doesn't matter to him what I might think he thinks about any of it.

While I will share my thinking, my preferences and choices, if asked and already have done so in this regard, I see nothing to be gained by "guessing" what someone else might do, which all too often leads to after-the-fact "second-guessing", a most distasteful activity in which to engage.

Although with a full appreciation of the daunting, often unpredictable, challenges faced by each and every team, every year, I think only of success and the pleasure of rooting. There is no guessing only hoping involved in that.

Certainly, I am not without fault especially when I fail to control my impatience with those I find to be insincere and/or a bit too self-absorbed, or little more than media lackies. Shame on me for that.

Cheers!

Larry,

I think we both value knowledge and well-informed opinions.  I think where we differ is that you talk about fandom more seriously than I do.  You have your rules of how fans should think and behave.  I have an irreverent nature, and frankly, I appreciate at the end of the day, football is entertainment.  I believe the value of that entertainment comes not just from watching games but also from following and discussing the team-building process and the coaching decisions.  I don't have any rules in terms of what can and can't be discussed, and while I prefer opinions to be supported by facts and reason, I don't have any rules on how fans should partake in their fandom.   We all are fans of football and the Giants for enjoyment and whatever floats you boat.

The latest Giants in-house podcast had Tony Pauline ripping JJ McCarthy as over-rated.  Tony said McCarthy is too small, makes too many tight window throws, and has a middling arm.

https://x.com/TheDestinAdams/status/1757868993900089413?s=20

Since some pundits like to compare JJ with Daniel Jones, here is a comparison of JJ's and DJ's last two college seasons

When you look at what the NY Giants ask of their Quarterback (I'm talking about the laundry list of corporate-style off-field responsibilities, too) McCarthy checks almost every box. He's even Irish.

That said - the one big box he doesn't hit is size. The Giants planned starting QB is almost always a big, tall pocket passer, they don't seem to deviate from that. We'll see if they would for JJ, because otherwise he's everything they want in a QB.

And it isn't hard to imagine him running Daboll's offense. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 15, 2024, 08:34:52 AMLarry,

I think we both value knowledge and well-informed opinions.  I think where we differ is that you talk about fandom more seriously than I do.  You have your rules of how fans should think and behave.  I have an irreverent nature, and frankly, I appreciate at the end of the day, football is entertainment.  I believe the value of that entertainment comes not just from watching games but also from following and discussing the team-building process and the coaching decisions.  I don't have any rules in terms of what can and can't be discussed, and while I prefer opinions to be supported by facts and reason, I don't have any rules on how fans should partake in their fandom.  We all are fans of football and the Giants for enjoyment and whatever floats you boat.

Well said, Rich. I don't disagree with your view of such matters except perhaps for the implication that my opinions- they certainly are not rules- on some issues and occasions may seem to pose a burden for someone else. I don't know who that someone might be but, if so, it's a problem of their own making. Is anyone here really that feckless? 

Cheers!

Nobody knows where NFL teams have this guy. Whether they have him in the top 5 or a late second round value is unknown. And we won't know until the draft.

Of course, click-bait artists and self-promoters on social media will continue to feed off of the gullible and confirmation-biased in the interim.

Enjoy!

@Jclayton92 called it

https://x.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1758289946178433333?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ