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Is it too early to start our pre season predictions?

The Sporting News does this game by game--win/loss and has us 7-10

Week   Date   Opponent   Prediction
1   Sept. 8   vs   Minnesota Vikings   Win
2   Sept. 15   at   Washington Commanders   Win
3   Sept. 22   at   Cleveland Browns   Loss
4   Sept. 26   vs   Dallas Cowboys    Loss
5   Oct. 6   at   Seattle Seahawks   Loss
6   Oct. 13   vs   Cincinnati Bengals   Loss
7   Oct. 20   vs   Philadelphia Eagles   Loss
8   Oct. 28   at   Pittsburgh Steelers   Win
9   Nov. 3   vs   Washington Commanders   Win
10   Nov. 10   at   Carolina Panthers   Win
11   BYE   BYE
12   Nov. 24   vs   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   Loss
13   Nov. 28   at   Dallas Cowboys   Loss
14   Dec. 8   vs   New Orleans Saints   Win
15   Dec. 15   vs   Baltimore Ravens   Loss
16   Dec. 22   at   Atlanta Falcons   Win
17   Dec. 28 or 29   vs   Indianapolis Colts   Loss
18   Jan. 4 or 5   at   Philadelphia Eagles   Loss
Record prediction: 7-10

Again, I know it's early but we love these sorts of things.

Myself, I do not see us beating the Steelers in Pitts and the NO is a tossup as to how the season has progressed. I see us beating the Colts but after that, unless something drastic happens, I see a 6-11, 7-10 season.

That's a good set of predictions IF... the Jones deniers turn out to be correct.

If we instead view Jones as a veteran QB who's back is to the wall, the Giants should split the pair against the Eagles and the pair against the Cowboys, in which case 9-9 would probably turn out to be good for a playoff spot.

It's all about beating the Eagles and Cowboys and hoping for a bit of good luck (for a change) regarding injuries not only to the Giants, but also the opponents' injury situations.

Bob

PS. We're likely a "middling" team at best, but I see chance to win in Seattle as well as against Indy and Cincy.

Middling is exactly where we don't want to be.  Good teams always have a chance and bad teams get the draft capital needed to get better.  Jones is not only not our answer at QB but he is possibly the worst problem we have on the team...just good enough to make us middling, very expensive and an injury waiting to happen (and if that happens, we're on the hook for an injury clause)   

Quote from: WheresDayne on May 17, 2024, 07:24:35 AMMiddling is exactly where we don't want to be.  Good teams always have a chance and bad teams get the draft capital needed to get better.  Jones is not only not our answer at QB but he is possibly the worst problem we have on the team...just good enough to make us middling, very expensive and an injury waiting to happen (and if that happens, we're on the hook for an injury clause)   

Dayne: Well, they took a big gamble on Jones and the best we can hope for is they were correct to do so. Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on May 17, 2024, 08:09:14 AMDayne: Well, they took a big gamble on Jones and the best we can hope for is they were correct to do so. Bob

I feel like they've made the wrong decisions on Jones every time they had to make one. It's like the "which hand is it in?" game.

- Exercise his 5th year option? Nope, wrong answer.
- New $160 million contract with $92 guaranteed? Nope, wrong answer.
- He'll show he's worth the deal and can be a next-level QB? Nope, wrong answer.

We keep getting snake bit by the Ghosts of Gettleman.

And, if Jones plays this season and gets hurt, which seems likely given his history, playing style and current physical standing (coming off an ACL and 2 prior neck injuries)...

Jones has an injury clause that guarantees $23 million (of his $30 million salary) next season, should New York attempt to cut him while he can't pass a physical.

at last 2 maybe 3 'short' weeks to prepare for thursday or friday games.  coaches must go nuts with these schedules.  I know I do.

Quote from: Bob In PA on May 17, 2024, 06:36:22 AMThat's a good set of predictions IF... the Jones deniers turn out to be correct.

If we instead view Jones as a veteran QB who's back is to the wall, the Giants should split the pair against the Eagles and the pair against the Cowboys, in which case 9-9 would probably turn out to be good for a playoff spot.

It's all about beating the Eagles and Cowboys and hoping for a bit of good luck (for a change) regarding injuries not only to the Giants, but also the opponents' injury situations.

Bob

PS. We're likely a "middling" team at best, but I see chance to win in Seattle as well as against Indy and Cincy.

I think their fate is primarily tied to the OL rather than to Jones.  However, if hope wins out over experience and the OL DOES improve to average or better but Jones doesn't perform they will finally, after 6 long years, get the definitive answer on Jones.

Quote from: President Rick on May 17, 2024, 09:42:33 AMat last 2 maybe 3 'short' weeks to prepare for thursday or friday games.  coaches must go nuts with these schedules.  I know I do.

The flip side is they get mini-byes they can use to more intensely work on problem areas, which lately have been Legion.  Half empty, half full.

I predict that there will be somewhere between 0 and 17 regular season wins.   


Seriously, there are far to many variables and unknowns for me to make any sort of prediction that I would have any sort of confidence in.

Another good thread reverting back to Jones. What is it with everyone, must everything be brought back to be about him?

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 17, 2024, 10:07:18 AMI think their fate is primarily tied to the OL rather than to Jones.  However, if hope wins out over experience and the OL DOES improve to average or better but Jones doesn't perform they will finally, after 6 long years, get the definitive answer on Jones.

AZRich: I'll NEVER disagree with a post saying OL is more important in the NFL than QB.

It's five guys who make up a "mini-team" that controls the ball, the clock, the score and the play-calling.

This year is shaping up (barring injury to Jones) to put my long-standing theory to a rigorous test.

Bob

PS. I originally forgot to include the word "NEVER" in the first sentence. lol

Quote from: LennG on May 17, 2024, 01:55:40 PMAnother good thread reverting back to Jones. What is it with everyone, must everything be brought back to be about him?

Same with hearing about the OLine. It's nauseating at this stage.

6-8 wins top is my utterly pointless prediction. Obviously hoping for more and the post-season.

Quote from: T200 on May 17, 2024, 08:47:54 AMI feel like they've made the wrong decisions on Jones every time they had to make one. It's like the "which hand is it in?" game.

- Exercise his 5th year option? Nope, wrong answer.
- New $160 million contract with $92 guaranteed? Nope, wrong answer.
- He'll show he's worth the deal and can be a next-level QB? Nope, wrong answer.

We keep getting snake bit by the Ghosts of Gettleman.

I appreciate very much what you have presented here, however, here is how I am seeing it.

I agree with you that not exercising his 5th year option was the wrong move.

However, giving him a new contract after the way he played in 2022 was definitely the right move.

The issue that I have was not the contract itself, but to me it was the size of the contract. If they were to have re-signed him in the range of around 30 million a year, then I think that is fair, but 40 million was too much.

As for your last statement, I would say it is yet to be determined, but this year we will all get our answer.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 19, 2024, 08:58:43 PMI appreciate very much what you have presented here, however, here is how I am seeing it.

I agree with you that not exercising his 5th year option was the wrong move.

However, giving him a new contract after the way he played in 2022 was definitely the right move.

The issue that I have was not the contract itself, but to me it was the size of the contract. If they were to have re-signed him in the range of around 30 million a year, then I think that is fair, but 40 million was too much.

As for your last statement, I would say it is yet to be determined, but this year we will all get our answer.

I appreciate your POV.

I agree that we will see this season if Jones is the guy or not.