Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: BluesCruz on June 28, 2024, 08:45:45 AMDoes John Mara have Belichick's cell phone number?

How did the Patriots do under Belichick over the past few seasons?

Quote from: Ed Vette on June 28, 2024, 08:04:12 AMWe were at just about every practice last summer. Never saw him lose it.

The positive changes I was referring to had nothing to do with behavior. It was the positive things he sandwiched in between in the article.

Nevertheless any fool can see he has a short fuse....sideline antics prove it right there on TV
Personally I would never have hired the guy.  Schoen should have had more of a competition before just dragging along someone he knew. mMaybe Asssi  This in my mind is a make or break season for Daboll.

Then again, I hope he makes me eat my words.  Perhaps getting the powerful personality Wink out of the building will calm Daboll down. Im really looking forward to this season with great anticipation.

Wink clearly had his own little fiefdom with his inner circle of Defensive coaches and they distanced themselves from the rest of the staff.  For instance, I read that they never ate together with the other coaches and their isolation became conspicuous for all to see.  It was a subtle, ongoing undermining of Daboll. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 28, 2024, 08:50:43 AMHow did the Patriots do under Belichick over the past few seasons?

So you think Daboll can be considered in the same breath with Belicheck?

We are talking about one of the greatest HCs in the history of the league
And chasing 24 yr olds around it does not seem he has slowed down

Im sorry but despite Bills last few seasons in NE he still has forgotten more about being a HC than
Daboll can concur up

I don't agree it was all Tom Brady.  I think Bill jut had had enough of the Patriots and needed to break from them.  He would gather more passion coaching the Giants

I can visualize Mara, Schoen and Belicheck holding up the Lombardi.....Daboll not so much

He would, however, have to re-paint his boat VIIIRINGS

I'd like to see BB win a SB without Brady as Brady did without him.

Quote from: Philosophers on June 28, 2024, 11:13:11 AMI'd like to see BB win a SB without Brady as Brady did without him.

Quote from: BluesCruz on June 28, 2024, 10:48:56 AMSo you think Daboll can be considered in the same breath with Belicheck?

We are talking about one of the greatest HCs in the history of the league
And chasing 24 yr olds around it does not seem he has slowed down

Im sorry but despite Bills last few seasons in NE he still has forgotten more about being a HC than
Daboll can concur up

I don't agree it was all Tom Brady.  I think Bill jut had had enough of the Patriots and needed to break from them.  He would gather more passion coaching the Giants

I can visualize Mara, Schoen and Belicheck holding up the Lombardi.....Daboll not so much

He would, however, have to re-paint his boat VIIIRINGS

This is classic fan infatuation with the shiny toy they don't have.   The Pats didn't even sniff the playoffs the last few seasons (despite BB being in charge of everything).   There is zero reason to believe that Belichick will suddenly become the coach he was when he was 10 years younger when he is another year older.

The reality is being a HC in the NFl is both physically and mentally demanding.   There reaches an age where even a great coach will be handicapped by age.   On top of that most of the colleagues that BB can call upon to be his staff have pretty much retired (part of the reason his job performance declined).

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 28, 2024, 11:19:52 AMThis is classic fan infatuation with the shiny toy they don't have.   The Pats didn't even sniff the playoffs the last few seasons (despite BB being in charge of everything).   There is zero reason to believe that Belichick will suddenly become the coach he was when he was 10 years younger when he is another year older.

The reality is being a HC in the NFl is both physically and mentally demanding.   There reaches an age where even a great coach will be handicapped by age.   On top of that most of the colleagues that BB can call upon to be his staff have pretty much retired (part of the reason his job performance declined).

It's hard to win anything when you have second rate QBs, as the Giants can attest to. Give Bill a good QB and he can still out coach many others on the field.

Quote from: LennG on June 28, 2024, 12:52:45 PMIt's hard to win anything when you have second rate QBs, as the Giants can attest to. Give Bill a good QB and he can still out coach many others on the field.

Len,

Belichick was responsible for getting his own QB, no one was "giving" him one.

In 2020, Bill traded down and missed out on a chance to draft the Packer's Jordon Love (first season without Tom).  They also passed on Jalen Hurts in round 2

In 2021, Bill sat at 15 and drafted QB Mac Jones

In 2022, it wasn't a great QB draft, but like the rest of the NFL he passed on Brock Purdy

In 2023, they weren't in a position to grab one of the top two QBs

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 28, 2024, 07:02:41 AMMy guess is that Jordan learned more (there were stories in the article I hadn't heard before).  In terms of positive changes, considering that Daboll has pretty much denied there was an issue, it's sort of hard to highlight the positive changes.

For what it's worth, I did see reports that Daboll losing it during practices didn't happen this year.  So, hopefully even if Daboll hasn't publicly acknowledged the issue he has taken steps to resolve the issue.

Someone is feeding him these stories and you have to ask yourself, why?  And who?  They sure don't seem to have the Giants' best interests at heart.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on June 28, 2024, 01:25:10 PMSomeone is feeding him these stories and you have to ask yourself, why?  And who?  They sure don't seem to have the Giants' best interests at heart.

Sounds like there could still be unhappy campers on the coaching staff (or possibly other positions)

Quote from: LennG on June 28, 2024, 12:52:45 PMIt's hard to win anything when you have second rate QBs, as the Giants can attest to. Give Bill a good QB and he can still out coach many others on the field.

Agreed
I imagine a coach with 7 rings might know what he is talking about

As for Assistant Coaches, I would guess bright young Assistant Coaches might be attracted to Bill just to learn the business and how to succeed there

Having said that Bill does not have a long tree of successful coaches he has mentored....not sure why

I just want him to come in and point us in the right direction....right now we seem to be lost in the weeds a bit.  We need help. Not sure Schoen/Daboll is the answer.  This year they have to show progress.
Keeping Jones and Neal on the starting offense is a big risk.  Why?  Because they were #1 draft choices?

Admit you made a mistaken move on- Don't perpetuate the mistake and punish yourself and your loyal fans

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 28, 2024, 11:19:52 AMThis is classic fan infatuation with the shiny toy they don't have.   The Pats didn't even sniff the playoffs the last few seasons (despite BB being in charge of everything).   There is zero reason to believe that Belichick will suddenly become the coach he was when he was 10 years younger when he is another year older.

The reality is being a HC in the NFl is both physically and mentally demanding.   There reaches an age where even a great coach will be handicapped by age.   On top of that most of the colleagues that BB can call upon to be his staff have pretty much retired (part of the reason his job performance declined).

I largely agree but the sniff the playoffs is wrong.

They made the playoffs the same year as the Giants last appeared.

I would think Lil Bill has his hands full these days with other things, no?


  

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 28, 2024, 11:19:52 AMThis is classic fan infatuation with the shiny toy they don't have.   The Pats didn't even sniff the playoffs the last few seasons (despite BB being in charge of everything).   There is zero reason to believe that Belichick will suddenly become the coach he was when he was 10 years younger when he is another year older.

The reality is being a HC in the NFl is both physically and mentally demanding.   There reaches an age where even a great coach will be handicapped by age.   On top of that most of the colleagues that BB can call upon to be his staff have pretty much retired (part of the reason his job performance declined).

I think you misconstrued my post.  Winning a SB is a complicated process where lots of things have to go right.  Brady win one in TB and everyone minimized BB for it.  I'd like to see him win one without Brady to equalize that thought. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 28, 2024, 01:16:12 PMLen,

Belichick was responsible for getting his own QB, no one was "giving" him one.

In 2020, Bill traded down and missed out on a chance to draft the Packer's Jordon Love (first season without Tom).  They also passed on Jalen Hurts in round 2

In 2021, Bill sat at 15 and drafted QB Mac Jones

In 2022, it wasn't a great QB draft, but like the rest of the NFL he passed on Brock Purdy

In 2023, they weren't in a position to grab one of the top two QBs

 I didn't say he was a great judge of talent. His drafts have been less than stellar, even when he was winning SBs. To me, his best attribute is picking up guys who most thought were past their prime, and getting a couple of good to very good years out of them. Parcels was great at that also.
All I said, was get him a good QB and he will win games. He knows how to do that.