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Do we have any concerns at all about Van Roten's age? I appreciate he put up a 75 PFF last year and seems to still be good, but 34 is up there.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on August 01, 2024, 06:58:58 AMDo we have any concerns at all about Van Roten's age? I appreciate he put up a 75 PFF last year and seems to still be good, but 34 is up there.

I would be lying if I said I didn't.  That said, beggers can't be choosers

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 01, 2024, 07:01:23 AMI would be lying if I said I didn't.  That said, beggers can't be choosers

Totally agree, and look, he apparently played at a 75 PFF level last year so you'd like to think even a small age-driven decline will still be a pretty additive player for us. But I just feel like once one of these guys clears the 32/33 zone you're starting to get into potentially exponential decline territory.

That said there have been plenty of O linemen that have remained good until 35-plus, and he's not any sort of long term solution, so I'm choosing to be reasonably optimistic about him being a solid value-add for us.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on August 01, 2024, 07:06:32 AMTotally agree, and look, he apparently played at a 75 PFF level last year so you'd like to think even a small age-driven decline will still be a pretty additive player for us. But I just feel like once one of these guys clears the 32/33 zone you're starting to get into potentially exponential decline territory.

That said there have been plenty of O linemen that have remained good until 35-plus, and he's not any sort of long term solution, so I'm choosing to be reasonably optimistic about him being a solid value-add for us.

As veterans age the decline is often not consistent.  Many aging vets start the season strong but fade when December rolls around.

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 01, 2024, 07:23:15 AMAs veterans age the decline is often not consistent.  Many aging vets start the season strong but fade when December rolls around.

As you said, beggars cannot be choosers.

Most would agree this was a solid signing for us, all things considered. It's not like there were tons of options.

Yes but we're talking about the Giants offensive line.

If we get 1 year of solid OL play out of him, that's a win.


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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on August 01, 2024, 08:17:33 AMYes but we're talking about the Giants offensive line.

If we get 1 year of solid OL play out of him, that's a win.


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Any move that gets Neal out of the starting lineup is a win.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on August 01, 2024, 06:58:58 AMDo we have any concerns at all about Van Roten's age? I appreciate he put up a 75 PFF last year and seems to still be good, but 34 is up there.

Not at all. Dallas oline has proved over the years that age isn't much of an issue on the line as much as coaching and teamwork is

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on August 01, 2024, 06:58:58 AMDo we have any concerns at all about Van Roten's age? I appreciate he put up a 75 PFF last year and seems to still be good, but 34 is up there.

Hard to not be worried about anyone at that age, especially with our history, but he was good last year and played something like 97% of snaps so I'd just view him as a solid player until proven otherwise.

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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on August 01, 2024, 06:58:58 AMDo we have any concerns at all about Van Roten's age? I appreciate he put up a 75 PFF last year and seems to still be good, but 34 is up there.

Yeah, age is a cruel bitch. I look at it this way, he's a 12-year journeyman who has accumulated an incredible amount of NFL knowledge, which is the bane of a rookie, or slow learner. So there's that. Secondly, he's played for Bricillo as well as a year under Daboll at Buffalo

People age differently. I'm 71, but am like a car with 260,000 miles that was never well maintained. I know a man several years older than me who still plays softball at a high level (even won the national title at Las Vegas at 75 yrs old [the 60 and over group]) and still refs soccer and basketball running back and forth up the field, and could kick my ass it I was to take him on. As for me, the only way I'd run is if a wild animal was after me...and I'd lose

Anyway, if he's healthy and has kept himself in shape, he is a nice filler for now and can also be a mentor to youngsters coming up. I don't think I'd worry about the age thing until it's a problem. And maybe like Rich pointed out, he'll start to fade towards the end of the season. Until he does though, I hope he plays like a superstar. He might think this is his last hurrah and wants to give it everything he's got...hope so anyway

One thing to note is that he has done a very good job of staying healthy.  After his first 2 years when he got little playing time he has played in double digit games, averaging about 14 games played per year.  And missed only 1 game in the last 3 years.

If nothing else, maybe he can help our young Olinemen learn how to stay healthy through the rigors of an NFL series.  Plus, he is coming off arguably his best season.