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Quote from: Trench on August 04, 2024, 10:04:07 AMYou have NO idea if he only does this in scrimmages or if he also does it in drills so can we just please agree to disagree on this

the quote was from a reporter who also has no idea about the difference.  The quote wasn't from a player or a coach.   Facts matter; we can't agree to "disagree" because we are not talking about opinions.

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 04, 2024, 10:05:50 AMthe quote was from a reporter who also has no idea about the difference.  The quote wasn't from a player or a coach.   Facts matter; we can't agree to "disagree" because we are not talking about opinions.

Well I was responding to your quote when you said you are pretty sure QBs don't audible during practice. Now a couple days later we have a reporter for one of the biggest newspapers in the tri state area saying Rodgers does it - during practice 

Quote from: Trench on August 04, 2024, 10:08:32 AMWell I was responding to your quote when you said you are pretty sure QBs don't audible during practice. Now a couple days later we have a reporter for one of the biggest newspapers in the tri state area saying Rodgers does it - during practice 

You are obsessed with trying to disagree with me and you mistakenly assumed a scrimmage is the same as practice.

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 04, 2024, 10:13:55 AMYou are obsessed with trying to disagree with me and you mistakenly assumed a scrimmage is the same as practice.

I was stating facts from a respected sports journalist. He also had a quote from a player stating the same. I pointed out Jones doesn't seem to audible much at all (in games or practice)...you challenged me on that, and I accepted it as you may be right as I realize you k ow a lot more about football than me. You stated you were "pretty sure" they don't audible in practice. Now we know some do. Whether it's a scrimmage or it's a 7 on 7 or whatever it is practice and the good QBs "work on the skill"

Quote from: Trench on August 04, 2024, 10:20:02 AMI was stating facts from a respected sports journalist. He also had a quote from a player stating the same. I pointed out Jones doesn't seem to audible much at all (in games or practice)...you challenged me on that, and I accepted it as you may be right as I realize you k ow a lot more about football than me. You stated you were "pretty sure" they don't audible in practice. Now we know some do. Whether it's a scrimmage or it's a 7 on 7 or whatever it is practice and the good QBs "work on the skill"

What exactly makes the reporter you cited "respected"????  It also was this reporter's interpretation of "facts" not actual facts.

QuotePractices are always scripted. Daboll would tell defensive coordinator Don "Wink" Martindale which plays he'd be running when Jones was in the game, this source explains, and had Martindale call defensive plays that'd intentionally work. And when Taylor entered? Exact opposite. Plays were scripted on both sides to set him up for success.

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/03/new-york-giants-brian-daboll-daniel-jones-tyrod-taylor-training-camp-planned-adversity/

The reason practices are scripted and QBs don't audible is that the coaches are installing hundreds of plays in the playbook.  Ideally, before it's run in a game, a player has run the play once in OTAs/mini-camp, once in training camp, and at least once during in-season practice.

If a QB is audibling out of plays, then the whole structure of practice and what coaches are trying to accomplish gets messed up.

Now that I put in a ton of needless work, do you finally understand that DJ isn't going to be making audibles during practice?

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 04, 2024, 10:38:50 AMWhat exactly makes the reporter you cited "respected"????  It also was this reporter's interpretation of "facts" not actual facts.

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/03/new-york-giants-brian-daboll-daniel-jones-tyrod-taylor-training-camp-planned-adversity/

The reason practices are scripted and QBs don't audible is that the coaches are installing hundreds of plays in the playbook.  Ideally, before it's run in a game, a player has run the play once in OTAs/mini-camp, once in training camp, and at least once during in-season practice.

If a QB is audibling out of plays, then the whole structure of practice and what coaches are trying to accomplish gets messed up.

Now that I put in a ton of needless work, do you finally understand that DJ isn't going to be making audibles during practice?

I trust a reporter from the NY Post. I dont always agree but I trust they know what they're doing or else they wouldn't have such a prestigious job. Nonetheless, thank you for clearing it all up and illustrating how wrong I was in my assessment.

Quote from: Trench on August 04, 2024, 10:43:59 AMI trust a reporter from the NY Post. I dont always agree but I trust they know what they're doing or else they wouldn't have such a prestigious job. Nonetheless, thank you for clearing it all up and illustrating how wrong I was in my assessment.

Working for print news is not exactly a "prestigious job" anymore; papers are dying, and the pay and working conditions are crap.  That's why there has been a decline in the quality of the beat reporters.

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 04, 2024, 10:13:55 AMYou are obsessed with trying to disagree with me and you mistakenly assumed a scrimmage is the same as practice.

Serious question. Can you explain the difference? 

And if there is a difference why don't the Giants do scrimmages?

Quote from: AZGiantFan on August 04, 2024, 12:24:36 PMSerious question. Can you explain the difference? 

And if there is a difference why don't the Giants do scrimmages?

I suspect the Giants will be scrimmaging with the Lions and the Jets.

As for the difference.

Practices, for the most part, are scripted.  They are essentially teaching the playbook and are scripted.  With the Giants, they will usually run their plays for a given circumstance- red zone, third and long, etc

The coaches are simply teaching, experimenting, and evaluating.

Scrimmages are more simulating a game.  They usually will keep track of down and distance and the offense and defense are calling plays against each other.  In other words, with the exception of tackling, they simulate game conditions.  It allows a different form of development, teaching, and evaluation

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 04, 2024, 10:46:14 AMWorking for print news is not exactly a "prestigious job" anymore; papers are dying, and the pay and working conditions are crap.  That's why there has been a decline in the quality of the beat reporters.

This may be a true statement. I don't have time to ask each individual "journalist" the time to ask about their education, credentials, CV, etc. except personal evaluation of the product they put out for us to consume.

Close to 40 years ago, in my undergraduate studies, I did complete a couple of courses in journalism and media ethics and found them to be especially enlightening in terms of the boundaries a journalist must operate within to produce a product an editor in chief would consider "worthy" of the standard and integrity of the newspaper the work would be published under.

Perhaps times have changed. Perhaps in the new world of blogs, digital press, free web pages and the like, the areas of checking your facts, verifying your sources and putting your arse on the line of a piece that will break critical information to the public that might face some backlash, perhaps we see less and less of traditional journalism with professionals who go about their craft in a manner one would expect to be "fair" as far as covering the facts of the news without getting carried away by slanting their pieces with personal or even the paper's driven biases to specific persons, places or issues of the day.

Now, granted, "traditional journalism" is still alive and well in this country. It may be limited to publications not of our literary choosing, or it might be limited to a specific journalist, or author. But, again, the beauty of our forum is that we can present, for consideration, "pieces" dedicated to our New York Football Giants, or perhaps other players or teams in the NFL, to review and provide constructive feedback in the form of a respectful and productive dialog.

Onto the "practice vs. scrimmage" question, having played competitive sport in my past, and have been coaching recently, we have "practices" to install and work new plays into our playback, correct issues that occurred in previous games, and work on individual skills development of my players. When we "scrimmage," it is a match simulation where we go live but I have the discretion, as the head coach, to stop the play and have a focus moment on a point I am trying to reinforce when I'm seeing something that's not being executed to my standard. I can do a quick practice drill to demonstrate what my expectation is, in a certain situation, explain it one more time, ask the players to demonstrate it for me and, when I am satisfied they understand, I let them resume the scrimmage at the point I stopped the action.

Does that help make it clearer in terms of the difference between the two?

I hope this helps.

Peace!