Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 27, 2024, 12:32:44 AMHmmmm... I wonder if Dallas was set to stop the run because they have absolutely no fear of getting beat deep? And they know they can break on a route because DJ tells them where he's going with his eyes? Nope. Definitely not inter-related.

Daboll knows he has to get Jones in 3rd and manageable situations. Majority of Jones throws are like 5 yards or less. This is the Daniel Jones-led of 2022 offense people clamored for. It's smoke and mirrors. And now Jones isn't the same running threat so it's showing how pitiful it really is.

Prety much what I was thinking. Sold out to stop run.  They were willing to give up the short passes as they knew the long pass was easy to defend.  I mean it was obvious on the first drive when Nabers didnt have anyone in the same time zone as him when Jones threw the ball and it didnt result in a TD, D*ll*s knew they had nothing to worry about.

Quote from: coggs on September 27, 2024, 10:32:59 PMPrety much what I was thinking. Sold out to stop run.  They were willing to give up the short passes as they knew the long pass was easy to defend.  I mean it was obvious on the first drive when Nabers didnt have anyone in the same time zone as him when Jones threw the ball and it didnt result in a TD, D*ll*s knew they had nothing to worry about.

The long pass has been pretty much taken away by defenses playing two high safeties. Scoring is down across the league. Kiper has called for the NFL to ban that defense.

I would be interested in knowing what you mean by "selling out"? Dallas played a base defense and had no problem winning their individual battles in the trenches. To me, selling out means stacking the LOS - which they didn't do.

Quote from: todge on September 28, 2024, 01:07:13 PMThe long pass has been pretty much taken away by defenses playing two high safeties. Scoring is down across the league. Kiper has called for the NFL to ban that defense.

None of this explains why Jones' deep balls have been consistently off target and/or late despite his having excellent protection this year.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 28, 2024, 03:15:56 PMNone of this explains why Jones' deep balls have been consistently off target and/or late despite his having excellent protection this year.

Here's a pretty good film review showing how the receivers were getting open on some of those deep routes but Jones was unable to deliver. And this was against a depleted Dallas secondary.

https://x.com/realmaceblack/status/1840038093614674043?t=lQHYg00psObLz5K1NgQ1XQ&s=19

Best way to get a team out of two high safeties is running the ball successfully.  If Dallas had two high safeties when the Giants ran the ball and still allowed 1.1 yards/carry, the run game is worse than I thought.

Quote from: JT39 on September 27, 2024, 06:05:01 AMThe giants moved the ball at will with the short passing game and intermediate routes. They scored 5 of the 7 possessions.

Problem is Daboll coach scared in Dallas territory and wasted too many down with meaningless run plays

Agreed. His play calling really left me scratching my head. Particularly a couple 2nd and 11 or long and he ran the ball - AT HOME nonetheless

Quote from: Messiah717 on September 27, 2024, 09:06:34 AMSingletary looked like a guy who had no interest in playing last night.  Seemed like he was running in quicksand.  Hesitating every time he got the ball. 

Running back recovery time is longer than most players. Having a short week especially on an older running back takes its toll. This past week was one where they needed to have someone else run the ball a little more. Just think if the took half the running plays and made them into passing plays who knows they might have had a chance in the game.

For those that think the play calling was poor on run plays, can you cite some specific plays including what the defense was showing?

Quote from: uconnjack8 on September 29, 2024, 12:48:35 PMFor those that think the play calling was poor on run plays, can you cite some specific plays including what the defense was showing?

Yes almost every one of them where Dallas safeties annd DBs even said they knew it was coming stacked the box.

I would also say the Giants short passing game is an extension of the running game. It's why the Giants dominated the time of possession against Dallas. So viewing rushing in a vacuum without accounting for the sub-5 yards depth of target passing is ignoring some of what this offense is actually doing.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 29, 2024, 01:01:17 PMI would also say the Giants short passing game is an extension of the running game. It's why the Giants dominated the time of possession against Dallas. So viewing rushing in a vacuum with accounting for the sub-5 yards depth of target passing is ignoring some of what this offense is actually doing.

Good point.