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Quote from: MightyGiants on September 30, 2024, 12:43:09 PMDid those other QBs have a terrible week one (likely due to rust) and have since strung together 3 good weeks?

Not a point I'm asserting so you can do that research if you want.

QuoteAs for the long ball, DJ struggled early in training camp but eventually started hitting on his longer throws.  Do you think it's possible that can happen in the regular season as well?

I expressly said it was possible in the very comment you quoted, so I'm confused why you feel compelled to ask. But I also have seen nothing to suggest it happening in short order. The deep shots versus Dallas were off-time (e.g. the Nabers wide-open completion) and in other cases badly underthrown to the wrong side of the defender (the Slayton free play). If he were getting closer to completions, I would have something to indicate improvement lay in the near future, but many of these deep throws to covered targets are non-competitive.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 30, 2024, 01:43:15 PMNot a point I'm asserting so you can do that research if you want.

Since you suggested that the other QBs are like DJ, that is part of the package

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 30, 2024, 01:43:15 PMI expressly said it was possible in the very comment you quoted, so I'm confused why you feel compelled to ask. But I also have seen nothing to suggest it happening in short order. The deep shots versus Dallas were off-time (e.g. the Nabers wide-open completion) and in other cases badly underthrown to the wrong side of the defender (the Slayton free play). If he were getting closer to completions, I would have something to indicate improvement lay in the near future, but many of these deep throws to covered targets are non-competitive.

It seems you don't believe the turnaround is likely to happen.  You know, I can't blame you for that position.  We know DJ was capable of making these throws when he came into the league, so I think we can't rule out the possibility that he will do it again.

My best guess is that DJ is in his own head.  As Phil Simms said, sometimes you need to let it rip rather than placing it just right.   I think DJ needs to relax and be confident in his ability.  Stop underthrowing as a way to hedge his bets (a receiver can often adjust and catch an underthrown pass, but there isn't much they can do on an overthrow).

I think he needs to block out the past, trust in his God-given talents, and (as Phil said) trust his arm and let it rip. While that is easy to say, it's certainly not easy to do (or DJ would have already done it). We can only hope that with the extra few days, DJ worked on his long-ball throwing technique and did what he could to boost his self-confidence. 

I can't fault you for believing a turnaround is a long shot, but I am hoping you might be wrong while appreciating you are likely correct.  The rest of DJ's game is top 10, so if he can fix his long ball...

Quote from: Bob In PA on September 30, 2024, 09:25:00 AMThere's my guy Daniels at the top of the heap. 

My pre-draft question was whether it was Daniels, Nabers or both who made LSU so tough last yr.

I still don't know for sure, but the evidence is strongly leaning to the conclusion that it was both.

Bob

Their historically bad defense let them down otherwise they would have played for a natty.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 30, 2024, 01:55:16 PMSince you suggested that the other QBs are like DJ, that is part of the package

No. I said similar overtures about improvement can be made about other QBs. It's something (I would at least expect to be) non-controversial--if these other QBs have performed at a less-than-league average rate, there are assuredly things about their game that they can improve. That's my assertion (and I think its pretty intuitive, but hey, what do I know).

Your statement about DJ having a unique set of circumstances and the corresponding implication that he's more likely to improve in coming weeks because of that that other QBs is your assertion. I'm not required to provide you the information to support it.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 30, 2024, 02:00:48 PMNo. I said similar overtures about improvement can be made about other QBs. It's something (I would at least expect to be) non-controversial--if these other QBs have performed at a less-than-league average rate, there are assuredly things about their game that they can improve. That's my assertion (and I think its pretty intuitive, but hey, what do I know).

Your statement about DJ having a unique set of circumstances and the corresponding implication that he's more likely to improve in coming weeks because of that that other QBs is your assertion. I'm not required to provide you the information to support it.

What I said was that DJ's metrics were dragged down by game one and that there was a single issue that was keeping him from reaching his full potential.  You suggested that such a claim could be made with any other QB, which I can't really agree with.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 30, 2024, 02:02:48 PMWhat I said was that DJ's metrics were dragged down by game one and that there was a single issue that was keeping him from reaching his full potential.  You suggested that such a claim could be made with any other QB, which I can't really agree with.

Game 1:  PR 44.3

Games 2-4:  95.8

There is a reason that in statistics we frequently disregard outliers, because they distort all of the averages.

QuoteIn statistics, an outlier is a data point that differs significantly from other observations.[1][2] An outlier may be due to a variability in the measurement, an indication of novel data, or it may be the result of experimental error; the latter are sometimes excluded from the data set.[3][4] An outlier can be an indication of exciting possibility, but can also cause serious problems in statistical analyses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 30, 2024, 10:46:42 AMSo, what do you think about DJ being better than so many of the name QBs whose play is routinely praised?

I honestly don't think it matters. Jones is widely considered a poor QB and that tag tends to stick with QBs no matter what they do.

We know how it works. Losing a game starts with criticism of the QB unless that player has achieved a certain status and becomes exempt from that criticism. Trevor Lawrence has been well below average but because of his college success, his performance is overlooked. Rodgers and Allen's teams both put up 9 and 10 points respectively; but it's not their fault their teams lost according to the media and fan base.

It is what it is.


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Quote from: MightyGiants on September 30, 2024, 10:46:42 AMSo, what do you think about DJ being better than so many of the name QBs whose play is routinely praised?

So you would be on board with the Giants retaining Jones for 2025 based on his play thus far?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on September 30, 2024, 06:45:42 PMSo you would be on board with the Giants retaining Jones for 2025 based on his play thus far?

I want to see DJ solve his issue with the long ball before I would consider keeping him.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 30, 2024, 10:46:42 AMSo, what do you think about DJ being better than so many of the name QBs whose play is routinely praised?

That the metric is severely flawed?