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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 29, 2024, 04:14:24 PMGuy has only played 10 NFL games. Talk about making a quick decision.

I guess this is better than waiting six years to figure out your QB isn't good.

The Colts, unlike the Giants, are a pretty talented team.  Flacco gives the team a chance to make the playoffs.   Richardson is far from being an NFL QB, despite his physical talents.   They didn't trade Richardson away, they benched him.  I would think he might get a chance again this season or, no doubt, will be allowed to compete for the starting QB job next season.

 

Quote from: T200 on October 29, 2024, 06:40:41 PMWhat boggles my mind is that some Giants fans can see the flaws in other teams' players but not our own. 

@DaveBrown74 @LennG @y_so_blu  (the guys who liked this comment)

I think it's fair to criticize DJ's shortcomings.   It's more than fair.  However, I do take issue when people bash a player on the Giants and suggest he is just as bad a measurably terrible QB.

Consider:

QB Rating

Jones- 79.5
Richardson- 57.2

QBR

Jones- 44.6
Richardson- 38.4

PFF

Jones- 66.1
Richardson- 48.7

Yards

Jones- 1706
Richardson- 958

TDs

Jones- 6
Richardson- 4

INTs

Jones- 5
Richardson- 7



I think it shows a bias against the Giants starting QB when you suggest they are the same or performing the same.  Looking at the PFF lineup grades, it's fair (especially in the light of injuries) to say that Richardson enjoys a stronger supporting case than DJ does.

I think its pretty ridiculous to label a kid a bust after just ten games. It would be equally ridiculous for a team to give up on him after ten games too.

When he was drafted by this team, I had reservations about how he would be handled.

Reviewing Bo Nix's last game, as well as every game this season, its clear he is being properly supported, mentored and coached. Not just by the legendary Coach SP but they also brought in Davis Webb. His improvement each game is very clear. This in a QB with a huge amount of of college experience. Anthony Richardson has been a QB ten minutes in comparison.

If they do trash him, I would take him here with Daboll without reservation instead of Bryce Young who many here have been advocating for.

Ten games... lol

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 30, 2024, 08:01:03 AM@DaveBrown74 @LennG @y_so_blu  (the guys who liked this comment)

I think it's fair to criticize DJ's shortcomings.   It's more than fair.  However, I do take issue when people bash a player on the Giants and suggest he is just as bad a measurably terrible QB.

Consider:

QB Rating

Jones- 79.5
Richardson- 57.2

QBR

Jones- 44.6
Richardson- 38.4

PFF

Jones- 66.1
Richardson- 48.7

Yards

Jones- 1706
Richardson- 958

TDs

Jones- 6
Richardson- 4

INTs

Jones- 5
Richardson- 7



I think it shows a bias against the Giants starting QB when you suggest they are the same or performing the same.  Looking at the PFF lineup grades, it's fair (especially in the light of injuries) to say that Richardson enjoys a stronger supporting case than DJ does.

Rich,

Looks like you completely missed the point of my statement.

Let me try this way: In Year 6, some of you are still blind to Jones's shortcomings and look to other aspects of the team (GM, coaching, offensive line, WR, TE, play calling, medical staff, and anything else) that need improvement to show what Daniel Jones is REALLY capable of.

But, for Richardson, as @Ed Vette mentioned, some of you could see that he wasn't a good QB prospect and he's only played 10 games.

So, if I'm "bashing" anyone (which I'm NOT), my post is more about people who point out the splinter (Richardson) in the Colts' eye but can't see the plank (Jones) in the Giants'.

Quote from: T200 on October 30, 2024, 09:59:32 AMRich,

Looks like you completely missed the point of my statement.

Let me try this way: In Year 6, some of you are still blind to Jones's shortcomings and look to other aspects of the team (GM, coaching, offensive line, WR, TE, play calling, medical staff, and anything else) that need improvement to show what Daniel Jones is REALLY capable of.

But, for Richardson, as @Ed Vette mentioned, some of you could see that he wasn't a good QB prospect and he's only played 10 games.

So, if I'm "bashing" anyone (which I'm NOT), my post is more about people who point out the splinter (Richardson) in the Colts' eye but can't see the plank (Jones) in the Giants'.

We could easily turn your claim around and argue some of you are so focused on Jones that you are blind to all the other issues that plague the team.

Still, that's not my issue.  It's comparing to someone much worse

Perfect example of failibg to understand that the best QBs have it between the ears.  Focus only on physicals at your own peril.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 30, 2024, 12:14:09 PMWe could easily turn your claim around and argue some of you are so focused on Jones that you are blind to all the other issues that plague the team.

Still, that's not my issue.  It's comparing to someone much worse

You have before and I told you that's not the case, yet you continue to say it, disregarding at your discretion.

Not a single person on this site has said Jones is the only problem with this team. Why you continue to say otherwise is beyond me.

Edit to add: To my earlier point, we can admit that there are issues with the offense apart from the QB. But can you and @todge and his other staunch supporters admit that he's a big limiting factor in the success of the offense too?

Heard his 44% completion rate is the lowest this far into an NFL year since 2000.

Akili Smith was the QB.


Feel like Richardson may have been taken as early as he was with 52% college completion rate at least in part because Josh Allen had similar numbers.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 30, 2024, 12:45:08 PMHeard his 44% completion rate is the lowest this far into an NFL year since 2000.

Akili Smith was the QB.


Feel like Richardson may have been taken as early as he was with 52% college completion rate at least in part because Josh Allen had similar numbers.

Josh Allen was the exception to the rule.  Most college quarterbacks are not as accurate in the NFL. If anything, their completion percentage drops in the NFL.  That's why you tend to pass on college QBs with poor completion percentages.

The Colts drafting Richardson reminds me of the Jets signing Rodgers.  Just as Brady performing at a high level in his 40s means you can expect that of other QBs like Rodgers, Josh Allen defying the odds doesn't mean the rule about college QB accuracy isn't going to be correct in most cases.

I defend Daboll a lot, but I know he isn't perfect, no one is. I just simply don't think he is the problem, and actually think he is a great coach. If anyone disagrees, I am not here to change your mind.

Do I like every decision? No, but when he has so many WRs open, and the QB is bad and cant get the ball to them, I refuse to call him a bad offensive playcaller. If the QB had the right stuff, we'd be winning and no one would be questioning the coach.

I have also been upfront about injuries, issues with depth, the secondary and such too.

But Jones is easily the biggest of all issues, good QB play can mask a few of the others, and an offseason can address what's left if you get the right guy.


ON TOPIC, Colts were a little hasty here, but at the same time, he is a guy that should have been drafted to ride the bench for a year or two, they threw him in the fire too early.

As Ed said, he is very raw, not the case for DJ, so I do not feel comparing the two is fair in any capacity myself.

Maybe some time on the bench will help him learn and grow, stay healthy, etc. He shouldn't have started week 1 last year.

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 30, 2024, 12:53:52 PMI defend Daboll a lot, but I know he isn't perfect, no one is. I just simply don't think he is the problem, and actually think he is a great coach. If anyone disagrees, I am not here to change your mind.

Do I like every decision? No, but when he has so many WRs open, and the QB is bad and cant get the ball to them, I refuse to call him a bad offensive playcaller. If the QB had the right stuff, we'd be winning and no one would be questioning the coach.

I have also been upfront about injuries, issues with depth, the secondary and such too.

But Jones is easily the biggest of all issues, good QB play can mask a few of the others, and an offseason can address what's left if you get the right guy.


ON TOPIC, Colts were a little hasty here, but at the same time, he is a guy that should have been drafted to ride the bench for a year or two, they threw him in the fire too early.

As Ed said, he is very raw, not the case for DJ, so I do not feel comparing the two is fair in any capacity myself.

Maybe some time on the bench will help him learn and grow, stay healthy, etc. He shouldn't have started week 1 last year.

He was also drafted way too high and in consideration of his otherworldly Combine numbers and his Arm. He had limited College experience. I agree that he needed to be given a year to learn.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 30, 2024, 12:51:27 PMJosh Allen was the exception to the rule.  Most college quarterbacks are not as accurate in the NFL. If anything, their completion percentage drops in the NFL.  That's why you tend to pass on college QBs with poor completion percentages.

The Colts drafting Richardson reminds me of the Jets signing Rodgers.  Just as Brady performing at a high level in his 40s means you can expect that of other QBs like Rodgers, Josh Allen defying the odds doesn't mean the rule about college QB accuracy isn't going to be correct in most cases.

Rich agree with everything you said.  I like the Brady analogy as well.  I was actually thinking the same thing has happened with shorter QBs because Brees, another exception to the rule, had so much success.  Though I think we have had more than one successful QB at less than ideal QB height since Brees.  I can't think of too many college QBs that had less than 58% completion rate that went on to a very successful NFL career.

Maybe he had a rare case of tattoo poisoning.

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 30, 2024, 12:53:52 PMI defend Daboll a lot, but I know he isn't perfect, no one is. I just simply don't think he is the problem, and actually think he is a great coach. If anyone disagrees, I am not here to change your mind.

Do I like every decision? No, but when he has so many WRs open, and the QB is bad and cant get the ball to them, I refuse to call him a bad offensive playcaller. If the QB had the right stuff, we'd be winning and no one would be questioning the coach.

I have also been upfront about injuries, issues with depth, the secondary and such too.

But Jones is easily the biggest of all issues, good QB play can mask a few of the others, and an offseason can address what's left if you get the right guy.


ON TOPIC, Colts were a little hasty here, but at the same time, he is a guy that should have been drafted to ride the bench for a year or two, they threw him in the fire too early.

As Ed said, he is very raw, not the case for DJ, so I do not feel comparing the two is fair in any capacity myself.

Maybe some time on the bench will help him learn and grow, stay healthy, etc. He shouldn't have started week 1 last year.

If you take a look at the last game, there were several other players and calls that stopped the Giants offense from scoring that had nothing to do with DJ.

There was a TD called back because of an illegal shift, not DJs fault.

There was a holding on Nabers on a 40 yard DJ pass that would have resulted in a big play that wasn't called, not DJs fault.

Nabers dropped a pass on a slant that hit him right in the hands, not DJs fault.

There were 9 penalties against the Giants which were killing offensive drives and putting the in 2nd and 20.

It was only at the end of the game 58 minutes into it that DJ through a terrible pass that got intercepted.

But for the first 58 minutes of the game he played well and the Giants were still losing, which means there are more issues with the team than just the QB.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 30, 2024, 04:30:21 PMIf you take a look at the last game, there were several other players and calls that stopped the Giants offense from scoring that had nothing to do with DJ.

There was a TD called back because of an illegal shift, not DJs fault.

There was a holding on Nabers on a 40 yard DJ pass that would have resulted in a big play that wasn't called, not DJs fault.

Nabers dropped a pass on a slant that hit him right in the hands, not DJs fault.

There were 9 penalties against the Giants which were killing offensive drives and putting the in 2nd and 20.

It was only at the end of the game 58 minutes into it that DJ through a terrible pass that got intercepted.

But for the first 58 minutes of the game he played well and the Giants were still losing, which means there are more issues with the team than just the QB.

Yeah, of course, Jones is the best QB to ever do it, and it is never his fault.