Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 04, 2024, 11:37:00 AMIt's unusual for the NFL to get involved.  However, the NFL is a shared revenue model.  NYC is the biggest media market.  It doesn't serve the NFL's best interest to have two of the worst teams in their biggest media market

The league can't help a team because they're in the largest market. It wouldn't be fair to small market teams that might benefit from league assistance.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on November 04, 2024, 11:48:07 AMMaybe Tisch should start feuding with Mara over his futility in running the (dis)organization.  I'd love to know what he thinks of this.

I do not know but the Giants being the 4th most valuable NFL franchise at 7.8 billion is probably the majority of where his thoughts occur

Quote from: babywhales on November 04, 2024, 02:57:08 PMI do not know but the Giants being the 4th most valuable NFL franchise at 7.8 billion is probably the majority of where his thoughts occur

Do you think he thinks Mara had anything to do with that?

George Young (ironically) = Bill Bellichick

Why is it ironic you ask?!

Because George in one of his few FAILED evaluations REFUSED to give BB any consideration when BP was sending overtures about leaving....leaving us with the Coach whose name will never be uttered by me.


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John Mara isn't the owner of the Giants. He's just an incompetent Team President (by all accounts he's a very nice guy). He and his brother Chris are co-owners with the rest of the family of their father, the late Wellington Mara, who was also incompetent when he ran the team. That part of the Mara family owns 50 percent of the franchise. The other 50% is owned by the family of the late Bob Tisch, who bought that share from the family of the late Tim Mara, Wellington's nephew and the son of Wellington's brother Jack Mara. The Maras  became owners because their Patriarch Tim Mara, an irish numbers-runner and bookkeeper in early 20th century NYC, bought the original franchise for peanuts.

In short: the NFL will not intervene with the Giants, who still make a lot of money for the other owners, don't worry.

They intervened with Snyder because besides having destroyed the Washington franchise, he was also a borderline mafioso criminal who was a personal embarrassment to the NFL brand and ran afoul of all the other owners.

They intervened with the Maras in 1979 because after head coach John McVay was fired and "operations director" Andy Robustelli went back to running his travel agency in Connecticut, in the aftermath of the notorious Fumble, Wellington and Tim could not agree on their successors, at all, and stopped talking. The NFL had no choice. Pete Rozelle "suggested" George Young as GM (the franchise's first), but Young was really an NFL appointment. And Young became, from 1979 until he left in 1996 (to work for the league), the dictator of the New York Giants.

The rest of the history you all know.

Quote from: BlueMoshik on November 04, 2024, 06:40:05 PMThey intervened with the Maras in 1979 because after head coach John McVay was fired and "operations director" Andy Robustelli went back to running his travel agency in Connecticut, in the aftermath of the notorious Fumble, Wellington and Tim could not agree on their successors, at all, and stopped talking. The NFL had no choice. Pete Rozelle "suggested" George Young as GM (the franchise's first), but Young was really an NFL appointment. And Young became, from 1979 until he left in 1996 (to work for the league), the dictator of the New York Giants.

The rest of the history you all know.

Tim didn't want to hire anyone, he purposly suggested names he knew Wellington would reject because what he really wanted was to get Wellington away from the team operations or doing regular GM duties. He suggested Robustelli run the team at the end of the Alex Webster rein and they hired him, but Wellington was still running the team and it was not much better than it was in 1971. Tim knew that whoever was hired wouldn't matter because Wellington couldn't keep his hands off. Rozelle didn't appoint Young. Young was the 2nd or possibly the 3rd name suggested. Earlier Rozelle suggestions turned down the job.

Quote from: babywhales on November 04, 2024, 02:57:08 PMI do not know but the Giants being the 4th most valuable NFL franchise at 7.8 billion is probably the majority of where his thoughts occur

I will be lambasted for not posting links or evidence but I recall reading that Tisch has grown increasingly impatient with Mara but has been only applying pressure in the background.

Quote from: nicky1000 on November 04, 2024, 07:56:48 PMI will be lambasted for not posting links or evidence but I recall reading that Tisch has grown increasingly impatient with Mara but has been only applying pressure in the background.

We've been hearing some version of this claim for years though. Tisch doesn't seem particularly forceful or insistent about much of anything when it comes to the team.

The intervention needed by the Giants is to have Mara replaced.  And, remove the relatives from certain front office roles.  I'm inclined to agree that Mara doesn't meddle the way he used to.  That is, because, in my opinion, it was his meddling with respect to the Jones & Barkley contracts that pretty much got us in the mess we're in.  Jones' performance in 2022 was really the very definition of when to franchise a player.  But, Mara's meddling, in my opinion, resulted in Barkley being franchised.  The rest is history

Quote from: Giant Jim on November 04, 2024, 07:11:56 PMTim didn't want to hire anyone, he purposly suggested names he knew Wellington would reject because what he really wanted was to get Wellington away from the team operations or doing regular GM duties. He suggested Robustelli run the team at the end of the Alex Webster rein and they hired him, but Wellington was still running the team and it was not much better than it was in 1971. Tim knew that whoever was hired wouldn't matter because Wellington couldn't keep his hands off. Rozelle didn't appoint Young. Young was the 2nd or possibly the 3rd name suggested. Earlier Rozelle suggestions turned down the job.

John Mara grew up in an environment where his father ran the team, so while the nature of the game and front offices has changed, it is natural for him to think he should (unduly) influence the big decisions.  Natural, but not good.