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I dont believe Daboll is a vertical coach.  If he were DJ would be getting benched for all his checkdowns and not taking more chances.

Aggressiveness is a mindset.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 05, 2024, 03:50:22 PMI dont believe Daboll is a vertical coach.  If he were DJ would be getting benched for all his checkdowns and not taking more chances.

Aggressiveness is a mindset.

Not benching Jones does not mean Daboll is not a vertical coach.

That's like saying a Ferrari isn't a fast car because Jones can't drive a manual.

Quote from: T200 on November 05, 2024, 04:39:18 PMNot benching Jones does not mean Daboll is not a vertical coach.

That's like saying a Ferrari isn't a fast car because Jones can't drive a manual.

No because if he really wanted to throw more vertically he'd put in a QB more willing to do so.  Also why is DJ not trending up in a huge way in more downfield attempts?  No HC pressure to do so.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 05, 2024, 10:10:21 PMNo because if he really wanted to throw more vertically he'd put in a QB more willing to do so.  Also why is DJ not trending up in a huge way in more downfield attempts?  No HC pressure to do so.

Daniel Jones is above league average in 20+ yard attempts and below average in corresponding completions. Even in light of Jones's very obvious deficiencies throwing deep, the Giants are still doing so. I could only imagine their deep throw rate if Jones was completing those passes at an average (or even above average!) rate. I wouldn't conflate throwing deep poorly with Daboll not wanting to, as the data shows otherwise.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 05, 2024, 10:10:21 PMNo because if he really wanted to throw more vertically he'd put in a QB more willing to do so.  Also why is DJ not trending up in a huge way in more downfield attempts?  No HC pressure to do so.

I've already expressed my theory on why Jones will remain the starter. Don't feel like typing it all out again.

There's a behind-the-scenes chess game and the winner gets a QB.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 05, 2024, 10:10:21 PMNo because if he really wanted to throw more vertically he'd put in a QB more willing to do so.  Also why is DJ not trending up in a huge way in more downfield attempts?  No HC pressure to do so.

I guess the question would be, did he go vertical when he had Josh Allen?  I don't know the answer.

My problem with Daboll is not that he limits his playbook to the ever-shortening list of things Daniel Jones can do well. It's his poor in-game decision making, and the fact that he tied himself to Jones after that first year when he didn't have to. I don't trust his judgment anymore.

Quote from: y_so_blu on November 06, 2024, 04:58:17 AMMy problem with Daboll is not that he limits his playbook to the ever-shortening list of things Daniel Jones can do well. It's his poor in-game decision making, and the fact that he tied himself to Jones after that first year when he didn't have to. I don't trust his judgment anymore.

I am typically against coaches doing double duty. I was skeptical of Daboll doing it. I can only speculate that his thinking was along the lines of, "If I'm going to get fired, it's going to be all on me." I get it but I really think he bit off more than he can chew. Not having a QB to run his offense is making things worse.

The issue with keeping Jones after that first year is a very delicate dynamic. You have a vocal owner who doesn't hide his love for and desire to keep certain players. You have a first year GM and HC who obviously are torn between keeping the QB the owner loves or getting rid of him to better the team. As much as the GM and HC want to dump Danny, it was even harder to convince the owner that that would be the right move on the heels of their first playoff win in 10 years.

Plenty of folks here rightfully surmised that the playoff win hurt the team more than it helped.

I see Daboll doing a good job scheming people open.  It's a complicated Offense, though and DJ just doesn't process quickly enough to get it to them.